Thank you to whoever wrote the Pandaemonium story so far [SPOILERS]

[RukoBoshi]

I don't think this ever is supposed to "redeem" any of the ascians. All I got from these raids is understanding them a little better. But I still wouldn't even call them redeemed.

Haha, i should have expressed myself better. When i said redemption i wasn't thinking in game redemption, like having their actions justified.

I meant to say that Lahabrea was "redeemed" from his past actions that doesn't fit the current narrative surrounding the Ancients and Ascians.

He and Nabriales were mustaches twirling villains at first, and it felt weird for them being that way when this behavior is so removed from the ancients we met in Amaurot. Nor do it fit the convocations goal.
Especially with Lahabrea who talked like he had his own ambitions beyond Zodiark ressurection.

I think you might be forgetting about Mitron there.

Yeah, should have used "cartoon villain" instead of "weirdo".
Despite being a huge creep, we can see that Mitron and Loghrif deeply cared about each others, and he degenerate from being apart from her.
But at least in the end, he wished Gaia well, so he get a pass in my book.

When i think about Nabriales, i can't imagine him as ever being a good guy compared to mitron, since he has no redeemable qualities.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Haha, i should have expressed myself better. When i said redemption i wasn't thinking in game redemption, like having their actions justified.

I meant to say that Lahabrea was "redeemed" from his past actions that doesn't fit the current narrative surrounding the Ancients and Ascians.

He and Nabriales were mustaches twirling villains at first, and it felt weird for them being that way when this behavior is so removed from the ancients we met in Amaurot. Nor do it fit the convocations goal.
Especially with Lahabrea who talked like he had his own ambitions beyond Zodiark ressurection.



Yeah, should have used "cartoon villain" instead of "weirdo".
Despite being a huge creep, we can see that Mitron and Loghrif deeply cared about each others, and he degenerate from being apart from her.
But at least in the end, he wished Gaia well, so he get a pass in my book.

When i think about Nabriales, i can't imagine him as ever being a good guy compared to mitron, since he has no redeemable qualities.

They kinda did the same thing with the WoD group during HW. Just like described with the mustache twirling trope with the Ascians, Ardbert and his group were that much in spades till they threw that sob story that they were only trying to destroy our world to save theirs. Which honestly left a bad taste in my mouth for them as I personally feel thats was such an extreme direction for them to go for when they somehow agreed to work with the people whom caused their world's almost cataclysm? Why even trust Elidibus? At least with them just with the ascians backstory with Elpis, you saw more of them so it helped get a more wider perspective of them.

Still we're talking about the current Pandaemonium story. I definitely enjoy it, and I love seeing this other side of Lahabrea and Elidibus (especially Elidibus) but still not enough to forgive them willingly going around causing chaos and mayhem.

[RukoBoshi]

Oh god, the warrior of darkness are so weird to me.
I like them after the role quest, but it's pretty jarring how different they acted back in Heavensward compared to their characterization in Shadowbringers.

They genuinely looked like their enjoyed themselves being absolutely horrible people. Especially the Miqo'te. Felt like different characters.

Right now Pandaemonium is handling this aspect better. Of course it will depend on the ending, but they aren't erasing or ignoring what Lahabrea was (or rather will be, anyway).

[Skyborne]

Oh god, the warrior of darkness are so weird to me.
I like them after the role quest, but it's pretty jarring how different they acted back in Heavensward compared to their characterization in Shadowbringers.

They genuinely looked like their enjoyed themselves being absolutely horrible people. Especially the Miqo'te. Felt like different characters.

Right now Pandaemonium is handling this aspect better. Of course it will depend on the ending, but they aren't erasing or ignoring what Lahabrea was (or rather will be, anyway).

Yeah, it was pretty funny how they go from making meme 'I am evil' rapefaces (Brandon especially) to suddenly looking sad as they reveal their story. At this point I just chalk it up to them forcing themselves to act like cartoon villains to disassociate from their acts and being really, really bad at acting (hey, kind of like Elidibus...).

Since Eden was brought up, I wasn't terribly fond of that and its hamfisted 'ancients bad, couldn't handle bad things or overcome their fears even though they claim they're perfect, sundered superior' and 'past bad, only the present and future matter' messages that they ran with super hard in there (and especially in Endwalker)... the only consolation was Gaia acknowledging and understanding Mitron's feelings at the very end, even though he had gotten desperate and acted rashly.

I sure hope the last tier of Panda doesn't sour everything the same way.

[TheMightyMollusk]

With Eden, I was just assuming that Mitron had gone a bit insane from a century trapped inside of the first Sin Eater.

[Soge01]

The only thing I found wrong with 6.0 was just how obviously lopped sided the handling of the story was when it came to the Final Days and everything revolving around that and the more slice of life and comical parts of the story. Too much focus on the latter, when there should have been more focus on the former. Shadowbringers had this down perfectly.

I also liked the way Pandemonium has been handled so far. Never expected the nut case that was Lahabrea in the present timeline to be previously this kind of person, not to mention him being a family man on top of that. xD

I also hope Athena comes back in some shape or form, too. Its totally possible since obviously Lahabrea completed her work in the end. I don't think the Lahabrea that was killed by King Thordan was the same one we met in Pandemonium either. Possibly a repurposed Hesphestios with altered memories to make him a complete copy of Lahabrea, so the other Ascians wouldn't catch on to what he was up to. I suspect the real Lahabrea is responsible for Pandemonium's reappearance in the present and that he's been continuing all of Athena's unfinished business while preparing to fully revive her in there.