Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
I don't think this ever is supposed to "redeem" any of the ascians. All I got from these raids is understanding them a little better. But I still wouldn't even call them redeemed.
Haha, i should have expressed myself better. When i said redemption i wasn't thinking in game redemption, like having their actions justified.

I meant to say that Lahabrea was "redeemed" from his past actions that doesn't fit the current narrative surrounding the Ancients and Ascians.

He and Nabriales were mustaches twirling villains at first, and it felt weird for them being that way when this behavior is so removed from the ancients we met in Amaurot. Nor do it fit the convocations goal.
Especially with Lahabrea who talked like he had his own ambitions beyond Zodiark ressurection.

Quote Originally Posted by Ameela View Post
I think you might be forgetting about Mitron there.
Yeah, should have used "cartoon villain" instead of "weirdo".
Despite being a huge creep, we can see that Mitron and Loghrif deeply cared about each others, and he degenerate from being apart from her.
But at least in the end, he wished Gaia well, so he get a pass in my book.

When i think about Nabriales, i can't imagine him as ever being a good guy compared to mitron, since he has no redeemable qualities.