Helare shortage in PF: what would bring you back?

[Axious]

I feel like people can't get over the fact that we don't live in 2004 or in the case of ARR 2013 anymore. I mean, quite literally, I saw ARR healing being used as an argument on this forum. Modern day gaming audiences are much more competent, with the rising popularity of a game ressources become more readily available and more importantly, games accomadate to a more active gameplay that doesn't enforce downtimes outside of certain mechanics, which all lead to the conclusion of healer dps rising as a measure of performance. I would argue that a big problem is that the problem is, that healers have barely any skill ceiling in this game. When I start to play healer for the first time seriously, I shouldn't be able to play on a level of having 100% dps uptime and being close to playing optimally even in casual content.

FACTS.

With the abolishment of TP and MP system came the rise of dps healers.

Speaking of skill ceiling. Would people be interested in the TP and MP system making a return?

It would open up other support roles for management support buffs. Ex: brd mages ballad and army peon returning.

Random thought. Tanks. Drk focusing on mp consumption. Creating mp support raid buffs?

[T-Owl]

FACTS.

With the abolishment of TP and MP system came the rise of dps healers.

Speaking of skill ceiling. Would people be interested in the TP and MP system making a return?

It would open up other support roles for management support buffs. Ex: brd mages ballad and army peon returning.

Random thought. Tanks. Drk focusing on mp consumption. Creating mp support raid buffs?

Nope. I think these systems were horrible, especially in aoe situations, because you were basically always dependent on your other players on whether or not you are forced to just stop playing the game for periods of time or not, which is not good game design. Thats why MMOs abolished those systems in the first place, they only enforce downtimes. Especially with healers, the sole reason why they wouldn't dps back in like old versions of WoW was, that their dps spells were too costly while providing too little damage inside a battle system were you need to engage in downtimes of not playing the game when there isn't something to heal to regen mana.

[ForsakenRoe]

they wouldn't dps back in like old versions of WoW was, that their dps spells were too costly while providing too little damage inside a battle system

there were 'some' skills they'd use even as a healer, paladins would keep up judgements on the boss, priests would attack with a wand to regen mana via judgement of wisdom (and MP5 from not casting), druids would... i dunno, melee for clearcasting procs? not so familiar with those, but the point is, even in vanilla-wrath there were 'some' damage things healers could do, which leads me to believe that it was at some point between cataclysm and WOD that the whole 'healers only heal and NEVER do damage' thing became prevalent.

as for whether i'd want those support buffs back, if the dps cant remember to feint or addle, i don't want to trust my MP economy to them either

[Absurdity]

as for whether i'd want those support buffs back, if the dps cant remember to feint or addle, i don't want to trust my MP economy to them either

It somewhat worked with Bard and Machinist for the simple reason that their TP/MP regens were also their enmity dump skills. You could rely on them casting those regularly because they'd get flattened otherwise...until you got a phys ranged that did so little dps that they never even got close to the tanks in enmity, but in content where you actually needed the TP/MP regen you would boot those from the party anyway.