Paladin Updates

[Lux_Rayna]

Thing is you have to take two whms for both AV and CC just due to the damage taken by everybody in the fight, a single whm can't heal the tank and the blms in ant fight, a single whm is extremely dangerous for chimera if the tank gets hit by a ws while ants are beating on people, too many adds for a single whm to heal on the av end boss, cyclops might be one maybe if you are lucky, moogle fight takes two also if just because rng can kill you.

Only fight that it is somewhat safe for just one whm is ifrit, that I have done before as both tank and cnj.

Just because you have a PLD doesn't mean you can drop a WHM for a dps, thats just crazy.

Also I'm not playing favorites with jobs, I go play whatever works best. If suddenly another class becomes the most efficient tank I'll swap to it, same goes for DPS classes.

Well it was like I was saying earlier...if you can do a WAR with 2 WHMS, you can probably do a PLD with one..if they are really good. They have to be really good, and by good I mean self-sufficient enough for a WHM to take care of an emergency. This would require a different playstyle, different positioning, and different tactics altogether. I havent tried it with CC or AV yet myself, but I imagine its worth a try. Point is if the PLD functions like a WHM, as in *mostly* self-sufficient, I dont see any reason why the one WHM cannot focus on other pt members as well.

Course if the minimum is 2 WHMs no matter what (which i find hard to believe but time will tell), then sure take the WAR. But if you're taking 3 WHMs and a WAR tank, might as well take 2 WHMs and a PLD tank instead. Problem is the community just hasn't gotten used to the job system and how to use jobs effectively. A PLD is *supposed* to be mostly self sufficient in exchange for pitiful dmg. What we are seeing is that many PLDs are *not* mostly self sufficient due to not carrying ethers, long skill CDs, etc. With the update, this should be fixed.

Besides, a WHM isnt the only class that can heal. In times of danger anyone with a cure should be curing themselves, and by danger I mean a big aoe that dropped everyone to red/dead. But WHMs have impressive healing capabilities..so combined with a PLD I think single WHM runs could be feasible...once ppl figure it out. They just havent figured it out yet.

[Kitfox]

I think the real question isn't can PLD replace WAR, but can PLD replace one of the WHMs. So instead of WAR+WHMx2, you would have PLD+WHM only.

[Lux_Rayna]

I think the real question isn't can PLD replace WAR, but can PLD replace one of the WHMs. So instead of WAR+WHMx2, you would have PLD+WHM only.

Exactly!! Pretty sure thats the point of PLD, its a matter of figuring out how to play it right.

[Jinko]

Well it was like I was saying earlier...if you can do a WAR with 2 WHMS, you can probably do a PLD with one..if they are really good. They have to be really good, and by good I mean self-sufficient enough for a WHM to take care of an emergency. This would require a different playstyle, different positioning, and different tactics altogether. I havent tried it with CC or AV yet myself, but I imagine its worth a try. Point is if the PLD functions like a WHM, as in *mostly* self-sufficient, I dont see any reason why the one WHM cannot focus on other pt members as well.

Course if the minimum is 2 WHMs no matter what (which i find hard to believe but time will tell), then sure take the WAR. But if you're taking 3 WHMs and a WAR tank, might as well take 2 WHMs and a PLD tank instead. Problem is the community just hasn't gotten used to the job system and how to use jobs effectively. A PLD is *supposed* to be mostly self sufficient in exchange for pitiful dmg. What we are seeing is that many PLDs are *not* mostly self sufficient due to not carrying ethers, long skill CDs, etc. With the update, this should be fixed.

Besides, a WHM isnt the only class that can heal. In times of danger anyone with a cure should be curing themselves, and by danger I mean a big aoe that dropped everyone to red/dead. But WHMs have impressive healing capabilities..so combined with a PLD I think single WHM runs could be feasible...once ppl figure it out. They just havent figured it out yet.

My main class is a WHM and generally we take 2, mainly as one for group healing and 1 for tank healing, granted you have a point that if both the pld and whm are good they could probably pull it off, but who is willing to take that risk.

I think most would rather have something to fall back on if the shit hits the fans, namely the whm biting the dust.

Perhaps if the server was rock solid there was no animation lock and no lag issues etc then 1 WHM would be a lot more feasible.

[Firon]

What they need to do for pld is make all it's combo's Start from the front. To this day i still do not understand why they have combo's that start from behind. If pld could use Riot Blade > rage of harlone + Phalnax > spirits within i would see no point in war tanking over pld.

[Lux_Rayna]

My main class is a WHM and generally we take 2, mainly as one for group healing and 1 for tank healing, granted you have a point that if both the pld and whm are good they could probably pull it off, but who is willing to take that risk.

I think most would rather have something to fall back on if the shit hits the fans, namely the whm biting the dust.

Perhaps if the server was rock solid there was no animation lock and no lag issues etc then 1 WHM would be a lot more feasible.

For sure, but this is why I say its a community issue. Community is allergic to anything with a higher learning curve, which is why it hates melee DD's, stacks blms, and takes 2 WHMS all the time. SE cant fix this without making PLD blatantly overpowered, but then WAR would become a job no one would want. Once ppl start posting success with single WHM runs, the community will start to come around I think. Ppl can't assume the risk cuz they assume its just too risky/difficult/impossible. Get enough ppl pwning with it and itll become acceptable (like Ifrit manaburn, naked runs, etc).

[yialee]

yes pld is still sitting in my trash from the look of this.

[Peptaru]

Why have they said they are revising how dlvl works or removing it ?

Would be nice huh

I haven't heard anything, but srsly! they can't leave dlvl as atrocious as it is forever, right? right???? q.q

[Akumu]

One of the problems with PLD is the extra time they take to grab hate. I have a 50 PLD and 45 WAR and I can say the difference while leveling the two as pure Tanks is amazing.

Besides the obvious differences among the two tanks, WAR can grab hate a lot faster compared to a PLD. If a PLD hate plummets he will almost always struggle getting it back. A WAR just laughs as he will rarely lose it and if he does he just reminds the mob who's the boss in seconds.

I'm not saying a PLD can't get and hold a mob, but it require more effort than a WAR.

[Firon]

I haven't heard anything, but srsly! they can't leave dlvl as atrocious as it is forever, right? right???? q.q

yeah for real lol when Fist of wind is up on mnk only time i evade is with feather foot still lol