Island farm VS WoW.

[Jojoya]

Island sanctuary is just a cheap version of farmville that got scrapped 2 days into development.

Infact i think farmville cared more about my time than the developers of IS.

Farmville was an entire game built around that specific content. Island Sanctuary is just side content within a larger game. Of course it's not going to be as fully featured.

If you're really looking for Farmville, then play both games. You don't do yourself any favors by sticking only to a single game and expecting that one game to fulfill all your gaming needs.

I also laugh at the idea that IS doesn't respect your time when once you've got everything built, it's only a few minutes a day to maintain it while generating cowries for vanity rewards.

[Theodric]

Farmville was an entire game built around that specific content. Island Sanctuary is just side content within a larger game. Of course it's not going to be as fully featured.

If you're really looking for Farmville, then play both games. You don't do yourself any favors by sticking only to a single game and expecting that one game to fulfill all your gaming needs.

I also laugh at the idea that IS doesn't respect your time when once you've got everything built, it's only a few minutes a day to maintain it while generating cowries for vanity rewards.

I don't doubt that you and others who share your...approach to video games are 'laughing'.

However there's many ways in which a game can disrespect a player's time. For example, I think that as a game ages it isn't unfair to expect it to do more to actually be ground-breaking on some fronts. In its golden era, World of Warcraft would look at what competitors were doing, take what worked and refine them with an attempt at a twist.

I see very little of that here in FFXIV. As a veteran player, I'd certainly appreciate more to do in-game that has staying power and which boasts more depth than just clicking on nodes/waiting around. It certainly doesn't help seeing the content I do enjoy - such as Bozja - artificially cut short and scrapped.

I daresay at this point the game has become something entirely different to what it set out to be.

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

I don't doubt that you and others who share your...approach to video games are 'laughing'.

However there's many ways in which a game can disrespect a player's time. For example, I think that as a game ages it isn't unfair to expect it to do more to actually be ground-breaking on some fronts. In its golden era, World of Warcraft would look at what competitors were doing, take what worked and refine them with an attempt at a twist.

I see very little of that here in FFXIV. As a veteran player, I'd certainly appreciate more to do in-game that has staying power and which boasts more depth than just clicking on nodes/waiting around. It certainly doesn't help seeing the content I do enjoy - such as Bozja - artificially cut short and scrapped.

I daresay at this point the game has become something entirely different to what it set out to be.

Yeah, nothin' like coming back to the game barely a week ago and already devolving to logging on once on Tuesday to do weeklies and then logout for the rest of the week and forget FF14 exists for the other 6 days of the week.

[Raoabolic]

Yeah, nothin' like coming back to the game barely a week ago and already devolving to logging on once on Tuesday to do weeklies and then logout for the rest of the week and forget FF14 exists for the other 6 days of the week.

As long as you pay the toll, then SE doesn't care. lol

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

As long as you pay the toll, then SE doesn't care. lol

The last time I paid the toll was in the middle of April, well over 4 months ago. They don't get much money out of me as I only ever subscribe 3 times a year, if that. Why subscribe when you can do practically everything the major patches offer during the 5 day f2p periods that happen around 3 or 4 times a year.

The only reason I even resubscribed in the first place was to have enough time to get 2 of my alts through Endwalker, because they locked Island Sanctuary behind the level 90 quest, and have plenty of time leftover to get 10k cowries on each of them to get the top and the short shorts on one of them and the hairstyles on the other and then never touch Island Sanctuary again.

[Boblawblah]

The last time I paid the toll was in the middle of April, well over 4 months ago. They don't get much money out of me as I only ever subscribe 3 times a year, if that. Why subscribe when you can do practically everything the major patches offer during the 5 day f2p periods that happen around 3 or 4 times a year.

The only reason I even resubscribed in the first place was to have enough time to get 2 of my alts through Endwalker, because they locked Island Sanctuary behind the level 90 quest, and have plenty of time leftover to get 10k cowries on each of them to get the top and the short shorts on one of them and the hairstyles on the other and then never touch Island Sanctuary again.

you last subbed 4 months ago? And it was only for a month?

And you're also posting here?

[Raoabolic]

The last time I paid the toll was in the middle of April, well over 4 months ago. They don't get much money out of me as I only ever subscribe 3 times a year, if that. Why subscribe when you can do practically everything the major patches offer during the 5 day f2p periods that happen around 3 or 4 times a year.

The only reason I even resubscribed in the first place was to have enough time to get 2 of my alts through Endwalker, because they locked Island Sanctuary behind the level 90 quest, and have plenty of time leftover to get 10k cowries on each of them to get the top and the short shorts on one of them and the hairstyles on the other and then never touch Island Sanctuary again.

That works for some people but SE is banking that drip fed content they are shoving into the game will ensure the majority of it's playerbase stays subbed. Personally, I hate the concept of dailies and at least WoW called them what they are. It feels like SE is trying to go "No... no. These are not "dailies", it's just fun side content with time gated progress in which you can gain progress daily but only once that day. :^)"

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

That works for some people but SE is banking that drip fed content they are shoving into the game will ensure the majority of it's playerbase stays subbed. Personally, I hate the concept of dailies and at least WoW called them what they are. It feels like SE is trying to go "No... no. These are not "dailies", it's just fun side content with time gated progress in which you can gain progress daily but only once that day. :^)"

Wouldn't be complaining as badly if they added the relic questline in 6.15 and the deep dungeon in 6.25 instead of the relic in 6.25 and the deep dungeon in 6.35. There is hardly anything for a player like me who doesn't care for farming extreme trials or farming raids to do during 6.0 to 6.25/.35, which is almost an entire year of the expansion's life. And by the time the deep dungeon in 6.35 rolls around I'd likely have leveled all the jobs I care to play to max level if it weren't for me manually putting on the breaks and not leveling them past 81.

That's the same thing that happened with Heaven on High in Stormblood, too little too late and I barely had a reason to go into that content. It also did not help that Heaven on High was complete garbage compared to Palace of the Dead, which PotD was the most fun thing for me to do in this game, though.

[Deveryn]

I don't doubt that you and others who share your...approach to video games are 'laughing'.

However there's many ways in which a game can disrespect a player's time. For example, I think that as a game ages it isn't unfair to expect it to do more to actually be ground-breaking on some fronts. In its golden era, World of Warcraft would look at what competitors were doing, take what worked and refine them with an attempt at a twist.

I see very little of that here in FFXIV. As a veteran player, I'd certainly appreciate more to do in-game that has staying power and which boasts more depth than just clicking on nodes/waiting around. It certainly doesn't help seeing the content I do enjoy - such as Bozja - artificially cut short and scrapped.

I daresay at this point the game has become something entirely different to what it set out to be.

Bozja was the unfortunate victim of covid. Call it an excuse all you want, but it impacted so much. I would've liked to see more from Bozja as well, but there's only so much that can be done. IS was even supposed to come out around 5.4, but that got put on hold.

XIV has taken plenty of cues from other games and made improvements to the MMO experience. That can be hard to see if your experience is limited. All WoW ever did from the start was appeal to the lowest common denominator and make the game super easy to run, where others forced you to upgrade your PC every so often. They didn't even have a whole lot of competition back then. It was just the EQs and they're still going. They haven't done anything terribly ground-breaking either, though EQ2 finally runs on 64 bit. With MMOs, it's more about consistent delivery.

Of course this game is different from what it set out to be. It had to be taken offline and get redone.

[Ameela]

Bozja was the unfortunate victim of covid. Call it an excuse all you want, but it impacted so much. I would've liked to see more from Bozja as well, but there's only so much that can be done. IS was even supposed to come out around 5.4, but that got put on hold.

Ehh I don't know how much I buy this excuse.
Relic content has been getting put off more and more with each expansion. Back in the ARR and HW days it was an expansion-long thing and that's the way it was supposed to be for SB too but the devs weren't able to finish Anemos in time for 4.1 so it was delayed - you can even hear Eureka music in the trailer for that patch.
With Shadowbringers for whatever reason the X.2 release date became expected, even though there was no reason to believe this should be the case just because SB had to delay its own relic, but then turns out ShB couldn't even get its first step out in time for 5.2 so we'd have to wait until 5.3 for the real first step of the relic while giving us an half-assed base step to start with.
So we went from the initial 5 zones that were promised down to 4 in Eureka, which then got cut down to 2 in Bozja - which even if there was no covid it would still have been one less area than previously.
And I don't even wanna know what these supposed Manderville weapon quests are gonna look like, I doubt it'll be anything on par with Eureka or Bozja (despite me not even liking that kind of open-instance content that much).