How to easily have healers dps engaged ( yet another thread)

[T-Owl]

I also agree with buffing. I never understand HEALERS that want to DAMAGE. Healing is a support role.

Oh, actually that one is easy. You think you want that, but you really don't. Blizzard tried this model out back during Vanilla WoW with the Holy Paladin. Players hated it and felt miserable being basically nothing but buffbots. Being a pure supporter does sound more fun than it actually is.

I'm not saying it's wrong to do one or the other, I'm just saying you may vastly underestimate how many people DON'T like optimizing things to a T or having detailed "healing CD plans" for encounters and the like; people who don't find any of that fun at all.

So you basically want to be carried while contributing the least compared to other classes, who have to perform more complex rotations while at the same time doing boss mechanics.

Exactly this, healing is more fun the less you know about high end healing because high end healing just shows the healing role is a complete mess, dungeon healing can be somewhat interesting if you get like a quad pull with an undergeared tank or your DPS all stand in stupid but raid healing is just horrid because all you do is spam broil

I feel like these parties are kind of the minority though. In most cases dungeons are basically saying hi at the beginning, wall to wall pulling with no issue or drama outside of the occassional new healer and people if ever dying depending on whether or not they haven't done the content in a long while or not, because how the hell am I supposed to remember how Rabanastre works, that was 4 years ago. I also feel like the issue with Healers is, they get easier as they go and growing closer to the ceiling of near permanent dps uptime is not a matter of skill, its just understanding that your ogcd cooldowns are your basic healing ressource and your casts are your oh shit button, not the other way around. Understanding this makes healing fairly easy.

[Renathras]

Oh, actually that one is easy. You think you want that, but you really don't. Blizzard tried this model out back during Vanilla WoW with the Holy Paladin. Players hated it and felt miserable being basically nothing but buffbots. Being a pure supporter does sound more fun than it actually is.

There's an irony to you saying this - considering one thing we've learned is that when Blizzard Devs said "You think you want that, but you really don't", what we've seen pay out is that players did, in fact, want that. For years Devs said this about Classic, but Classic is arguably more popular than Retail. Moreover, keep in mind that Holy Paladins in OG Vanilla DID NOT HEAL. They didn't even get in combat. Their role was to stay OUT OF COMBAT and cast occasional buffs, which were something like one every 5 minutes.

Contrast that with a hypothetical AST that has Cards as GCDs with no CD and short duration buffs that they can cast as "filler" instead of Malefic. Are you seriously going to tell me that you'd find present day Maleficspam more enjoyable than buffing your party members with those GCDs instead? At the very least, the buffing would require more APM as you'd actually be targeting and applying the buffs to party members, which would already make it more engaging than Maleificspam, would it not?

Like if we changed literally nothing else about AST - still had the oGCD kit they have today, still have Combust, etc - just the only change was that Cards can now be spammed as your filler instead of pressing Malific over and over again as your filler. Are you seriously ready to argue that would be LESS engaging than Malefic spam during downtime/filler?

I'd seriously give AST a second look if this was the case since I find buffing party members to be much more engaging and fun in terms of class/role fantasy of being a supporter.

So you basically want to be carried while contributing the least compared to other classes, who have to perform more complex rotations while at the same time doing boss mechanics.

See this?

Don't do this again.

Ever.

(And you call me toxic and aggressive? Seriously: Don't do this again.)

There's a saying in the military: An army marches on its stomach. What this means is that without logistics, all wars are lost causes. Your argument here is essentially if you aren't a front line rifleman, you aren't contributing to the war effort and you aren't needed. Yet an army of only riflemen will lose every war. The fact you have a child's level of understanding of this topic is obvious, but if you press this button again, I'm going to be much more...direct...in slapping it down. This is thrice you've now done it, and Thrice Comes Ruin.

[Azuri]

See this?

Don't do this again.

Ever.

I will not be kind the next time you do it.

(And you call me toxic and aggressive? Seriously: Don't do this again.)

There's a saying in the military: An army marches on its stomach. What this means is that without logistics, all wars are lost causes. Your argument here is essentially if you aren't a front line rifleman, you aren't contributing to the war effort and you aren't needed. Yet an army of only riflemen will lose every war. The fact you have a child's level of understanding of this topic is obvious, but if you press this button again, I'm going to be much more...direct...in slapping it down. This is thrice you've now done it, and Thrice Comes Ruin.

Woah, look at the badass over there. A badass who averages 60-70% GCD uptime. Sorry, lad, but someone who does nothing for a third of the fight doesn't get to talk about "understanding of the topic".

You are getting carried by your groups. End of story.