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    Quote Originally Posted by Seminole View Post
    Just think about it. What do Gil sellers need to succeed? They need Gil buyers. So if SE offers micro transactions for in game gil to be purchased through them like other game developers have implemented in their games, it would then make others buy from SE and not from the gil sellers. Also if you are personally still against this idea, your option is to not buy the micro transactions from SE. But others may want to take advantage of this feature and it wouldn't be bad if they did as it would be allowed. Just like the lottery system took away business from the black market selling houses for gil and/or money. SE crippled that black market. It also crippled the bots clicking at housing placards. So why not give some players what they want which is gil and they can buy it safely and not get banned or scammed for it and it would be coming directly from SE if they chose to implement micro transactions for gil in game. Easy fix and trust me it would resolve the issue with that black market. These are ideas I have been thinking of if SE is on board to put them in place. If not then unfortunately nothing will be resolved.

    As for your P2W - they already offer potions to do level and story skips so.....
    No. Gil and marketboarding are as much of a skill as anything else. Many of us worked our rear ends off to make the kind of gil we have because that is the aspect of the game we enjoy. So yeah, buying gil straight from SE would, in fact, be P2W to us.

    Buying a one time story skip/level up potion isn't even remotely the same. You aren't being handed the keys to lvl 90 along with a full set of top tier raid gear along with it. Letting people just buy gil rather than learn how to make their own (which is stunningly easy, it just takes work) is the equivalent of that.
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    WoW Tokens alone didn't break World of Warcraft. But they certainly made things worse. And guess what? There are still players and bots trying to sell gold for money. You should never be able to buy gil straight up with microtransactions.

    Why would you want to buy gil? Playing for slightly over a year, without a single crafter at 90 yet, I've earned enough gil to afford any large mansion if I wanted one (I just want a Medium). Heck, I didn't even know to check my retainers to see if they sold anything until December last year. Gil isn't the problem here at all. The problem is that even with the gil, there's nothing to spend it on because there's no housing available that I desire.

    Want gil? Make large personal player housing more easily attainable. That will allow players to sell more furnishings for gil.
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  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seminole View Post
    Just think about it. What do Gil sellers need to succeed? They need Gil buyers. So if SE offers micro transactions for in game gil to be purchased through them like other game developers have implemented in their games, it would then make others buy from SE and not from the gil sellers. Also if you are personally still against this idea, your option is to not buy the micro transactions from SE. But others may want to take advantage of this feature and it wouldn't be bad if they did as it would be allowed. Just like the lottery system took away business from the black market selling houses for gil and/or money. SE crippled that black market. It also crippled the bots clicking at housing placards. So why not give some players what they want which is gil and they can buy it safely and not get banned or scammed for it and it would be coming directly from SE if they chose to implement micro transactions for gil in game. Easy fix and trust me it would resolve the issue with that black market. These are ideas I have been thinking of if SE is on board to put them in place. If not then unfortunately nothing will be resolved.

    As for your P2W - they already offer potions to do level and story skips so.....
    I don't think you understand the ripple effects. Do you do any high end raiding or crafting? Microtransactions such as you are proposing would destroy these gameplay aspects for everyone who does them (a staggeringly large community), and still would do little to nothing to curb the rampant botting and Gil selling. Level pots aren't P2W in the same way, they still place you 10 levels behind current and do not include the latest expansion for story jumps. If I could legit buy Gil I could just buy the top tier crafted gear, pay my way through the pentamelds, pay for the top tier raid food. XIV is for the most part very carefully crafted and balanced to extract the max amount of gameplay out of endgame build-up without being overly grindy (subjective), it's spread across many activities and gameplay types from DoH/L to the Raiders themselves. It also supports a HUGE amount of the game economy. "Illegal" Gil sales already disrupt this to some extent, "legal" sales through SE would destroy it. Based on my 9 years of experience with this game community P2W would drive a mass exodus, you should see the frothing at the mouth hate over NFT's, or what some see as SE's abuse of the cash shop just for cosmetics. P2W has a place for some game types, I do not believe XIV to be one of them.

    *Also see the Diablo 3 RM Auction House fiasco for more evidence of P2W gone wrong

    (Edit) FWIW I like many of your other ideas, and think they are worth consideration by the team. We can disagree on the Gil sales amicably
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brygd View Post
    WoW Tokens alone didn't break World of Warcraft. But they certainly made things worse. And guess what? There are still players and bots trying to sell gold for money. You should never be able to buy gil straight up with microtransactions.

    Why would you want to buy gil? Playing for slightly over a year, without a single crafter at 90 yet, I've earned enough gil to afford any large mansion if I wanted one (I just want a Medium). Heck, I didn't even know to check my retainers to see if they sold anything until December last year. Gil isn't the problem here at all. The problem is that even with the gil, there's nothing to spend it on because there's no housing available that I desire.

    Want gil? Make large personal player housing more easily attainable. That will allow players to sell more furnishings for gil.
    Ya, Gil is legit easy to get these days. Like IRL don't spend it on silly things and in no time at all you have a nice stack. I spend Gil like crazy, but I also make a ton. My Glams are on point even if my actual gear isn't <.< (I reeeaaally need to get my roulettes done more frequently ...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrhin View Post
    I don't think you understand the ripple effects. Do you do any high end raiding or crafting? Microtransactions such as you are proposing would destroy these gameplay aspects for everyone who does them (a staggeringly large community), and still would do little to nothing to curb the rampant botting and Gil selling. Level pots aren't P2W in the same way, they still place you 10 levels behind current and do not include the latest expansion for story jumps. If I could legit buy Gil I could just buy the top tier crafted gear, pay my way through the pentamelds, pay for the top tier raid food. XIV is for the most part very carefully crafted and balanced to extract the max amount of gameplay out of endgame build-up without being overly grindy (subjective), it's spread across many activities and gameplay types from DoH/L to the Raiders themselves. It also supports a HUGE amount of the game economy. "Illegal" Gil sales already disrupt this to some extent, "legal" sales through SE would destroy it. Based on my 9 years of experience with this game community P2W would drive a mass exodus, you should see the frothing at the mouth hate over NFT's, or what some see as SE's abuse of the cash shop just for cosmetics. P2W has a place for some game types, I do not believe XIV to be one of them.

    *Also see the Diablo 3 RM Auction House fiasco for more evidence of P2W gone wrong

    (Edit) FWIW I like many of your other ideas, and think they are worth consideration by the team. We can disagree on the Gil sales amicably
    For once someone mentions about my other ideas. Thank you very much for reading them. I have so many ideas to try to make this game better and to please everyone by being fair.

    But my main goal for the microtransactions was to help multiple issues. People today are buying illegal gil so they are already doing what you are in fear of. It's happening as we speak. However, if SE allows microtransactions it will do the following:

    1. Crash the gil seller black market.
    2. Allow players to legit purchase gil without being banned or scammed if they choose to. This doesn't mean everyone will do it. Things may be as you see them now. There are already illegal boosting going on without the legit microtransaction in place by SE.
    3. This will help fund the game. Instead of one gil seller making $30k plus per year, that money will be given to SE to help fund the game for future requests and servers.

    In my opinion we are accomplishing a lot. The main goal is to shut down the black market for gil sellers and in return help fund FFXIV for SE.
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    Last edited by Seminole; 09-19-2022 at 02:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seminole View Post
    To prevent Gil sellers from the black market, SE should have their own in game micro transactions for gil they can offer to sell to players.
    No, no and a million times no. That act is well proven to be the first step on the path towards F2P and the end of the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seminole View Post
    ...Keep adding snow for just the month of December...
    For half the world snow falls in June/July, not December/January. Maybe make it so it snows in June instead?

    For me it still feels darned weird seeing December snow in a game when it's 43 degrees outside (that's around 110 american degrees)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shibi View Post
    For half the world snow falls in June/July, not December/January. ... For me it still feels darned weird seeing December snow in a game when it's 43 degrees outside (that's around 110 american degrees)
    Yeah, I remember celebrating Christmas at Bondi Beach one year, and it was indeed different. (Not that we get snow where I live now anyway, regardless of the time of year.)
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  8. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shibi View Post
    No, no and a million times no. That act is well proven to be the first step on the path towards F2P and the end of the game.



    For half the world snow falls in June/July, not December/January. Maybe make it so it snows in June instead?

    For me it still feels darned weird seeing December snow in a game when it's 43 degrees outside (that's around 110 american degrees)
    When I play AC:NH my island is in the southern hemisphere, I am in the north. This way it's always the other season so I can pretend its crisp and cold while I sweat my kitty bitties off on the couch in summer, or nice and hot while I freeze my kitty bitties off on the couch (under a blanket, with a hot tea) in the winter. I could enjoy this in XIV as well lol. I think I also might like an actual 24 hour day like AC but I expect most might not, and the ET clock for gathering nodes would need to be revamped etc..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seminole View Post
    5. Allow you to place your house on the market board to sell if you no longer want it and want to move to another server.
    No. That encourages purchase and resale for profit.


    Quote Originally Posted by Seminole View Post
    6. Expanding on 5, allow services to be added to the market board as it’s more organized. You can have a decorator offer to decorate your house for a fee. There should be a rating system so people can leave feedback on their work. You will be able to view their feedback from others and view the work they’ve done. Maybe someone is great at gardening, and you want to hire a gardener. Same with those who are an expert in submarines in a workshop.
    The marketboard isn't designed for advertising services. A separate system would be need.

    It would probably be best accomplished through a new category in Party Finder, which would reach the entire data center and not just the local world.

    And you're not going to find anyone willing to garden for another player so that player can profit while the gardener gets gil scraps.


    Quote Originally Posted by Seminole View Post
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    8. To prevent Gil sellers from the black market, SE should have their own in game micro transactions for gil they can offer to sell to players. Make the prices fair and not so overpriced like the shark cards in GTA. Make it like Lost Ark where it’s safe to purchase gil from the developers in game.
    That won't stop RMT.

    It also has the possibility to bring the same problems that WoW has thanks to the unrestricted use of the WoW token into this game. I don't think that's a mistake SE wants to repeat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seminole View Post
    9. Allow you to change your name, date of birth and username for all SE accounts. Other businesses allow this, and you can even add a $10 charge for changing information.
    Nope. Someone wants an account, they can make a new account. Let's not open the game to official selling of accounts on eBay (though it's already being done of course).

    For someone who claims to want to stop RMT, you certainly seem determined to increase it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    No. That encourages purchase and resale for profit.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    The marketboard isn't designed for advertising services. A separate system would be need.

    It would probably be best accomplished through a new category in Party Finder, which would reach the entire data center and not just the local world.

    And you're not going to find anyone willing to garden for another player so that player can profit while the gardener gets gil scraps.

    SE can choose to add it to the market board or to a party finder. I say market board or something very similar to it because it's more organized in my opinion and it goes along with what is already there such as furniture items for sale. The market board also has house walls so why not add a new icon for houses/plots and list them in that category. It makes perfect sense to do it on the market board in that world like everything else is. I wouldn't offer it in a party finder across the worlds when the entire purpose is to cater to that specific world for those players in that world like things are now. I mentioned how SE would set the price for this so it would be 100% fair and safe. No one would get scammed out of the deal either. Keep in mind this would work best if instance housing was implemented because this method would be bypassing the lottery system. With instance housing you won't need the lottery system anymore. As for the gardener services that was just an example. Some people don't know how to do gardening and some don't even know anything about the submarines or airships. Some don't know how to decorate and will want to hire a professional designer. It will help everyone recognize who are designers and how many of them are out there. These things are happening now without the market board but I'm trying to add more ideas to this game that will bring more players in and entice them to want to play. FF has such great opportunity you can do so much with it to the point it would be one of the best games to where gamers would leave WOW or other MMOS because with these new features in place no one else would have it. My goal is to bring more player base to FF with new fresh ideas and to continue to fund the game as well. To keep everyone safe from fraud and to shut down and/or cripple as much of the black market as possible. Here is another good example the games called Farming Simulator and Ark Survival has gamers who created their own mods in game. They also create their own maps that weren't initially a part of the game. Then later on as developers saw how other gamers enjoyed those mods they decided to implement and include them officially into their game. These are things the gamers want to see so why not take something and make it a part of something great? Why not take something that is used for bad or people frown down upon and make it good and be used for a better purpose? That's my goal here.
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