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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrhin View Post
    The only way to stop Gil sellers is to make Gil untradable, which can't be done as it would require the elimination of the MB as well, as it's based on the tradability of Gil. It's the primary method of moving Gil around from seller to buyer since they implemented the trade cap on P2P trades so It would have to go. What do you think those everyday items on the MB priced at 999 million Gil (or whatever) are for? Not only that but even if SE did make it untradable Gil sellers would just start selling tradable in game assets like crafted gear, mats, food, and medicines. Basically anything SE could do would be countered easily. As for implementing a legal Gil sale? Feck no, that would alienate a MASSIVE number of players whose sole enjoyment is crafting, gathering, and the sale of such assets on the MB. In addition we'd now have a P2W game which would alienate another portion of players. People ask for this kind of thing once in a while and I can only think that they don't fully understand the game and its playerbase. From a game publishers standpoint P2W/F2P games have a huge allure due to insane profit margins, but imo they prey upon the whales with no self control. SE has a large, mostly happy base that willingly pays a monthly sub, not to mention the cash shop for cosmetics etc. I hope they don't fall into that F2P/P2W trap as I know I'd be out within the hour and I'm sure I wouldn't be alone.
    Just think about it. What do Gil sellers need to succeed? They need Gil buyers. So if SE offers micro transactions for in game gil to be purchased through them like other game developers have implemented in their games, it would then make others buy from SE and not from the gil sellers. Also if you are personally still against this idea, your option is to not buy the micro transactions from SE. But others may want to take advantage of this feature and it wouldn't be bad if they did as it would be allowed. Just like the lottery system took away business from the black market selling houses for gil and/or money. SE crippled that black market. It also crippled the bots clicking at housing placards. So why not give some players what they want which is gil and they can buy it safely and not get banned or scammed for it and it would be coming directly from SE if they chose to implement micro transactions for gil in game. Easy fix and trust me it would resolve the issue with that black market. These are ideas I have been thinking of if SE is on board to put them in place. If not then unfortunately nothing will be resolved.

    As for your P2W - they already offer potions to do level and story skips so.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seminole View Post
    Just think about it. What do Gil sellers need to succeed? They need Gil buyers. So if SE offers micro transactions for in game gil to be purchased through them like other game developers have implemented in their games, it would then make others buy from SE and not from the gil sellers. Also if you are personally still against this idea, your option is to not buy the micro transactions from SE. But others may want to take advantage of this feature and it wouldn't be bad if they did as it would be allowed. Just like the lottery system took away business from the black market selling houses for gil and/or money. SE crippled that black market. It also crippled the bots clicking at housing placards. So why not give some players what they want which is gil and they can buy it safely and not get banned or scammed for it and it would be coming directly from SE if they chose to implement micro transactions for gil in game. Easy fix and trust me it would resolve the issue with that black market. These are ideas I have been thinking of if SE is on board to put them in place. If not then unfortunately nothing will be resolved.

    As for your P2W - they already offer potions to do level and story skips so.....
    No. Gil and marketboarding are as much of a skill as anything else. Many of us worked our rear ends off to make the kind of gil we have because that is the aspect of the game we enjoy. So yeah, buying gil straight from SE would, in fact, be P2W to us.

    Buying a one time story skip/level up potion isn't even remotely the same. You aren't being handed the keys to lvl 90 along with a full set of top tier raid gear along with it. Letting people just buy gil rather than learn how to make their own (which is stunningly easy, it just takes work) is the equivalent of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seminole View Post
    Just think about it. What do Gil sellers need to succeed? They need Gil buyers. So if SE offers micro transactions for in game gil to be purchased through them like other game developers have implemented in their games, it would then make others buy from SE and not from the gil sellers. Also if you are personally still against this idea, your option is to not buy the micro transactions from SE. But others may want to take advantage of this feature and it wouldn't be bad if they did as it would be allowed. Just like the lottery system took away business from the black market selling houses for gil and/or money. SE crippled that black market. It also crippled the bots clicking at housing placards. So why not give some players what they want which is gil and they can buy it safely and not get banned or scammed for it and it would be coming directly from SE if they chose to implement micro transactions for gil in game. Easy fix and trust me it would resolve the issue with that black market. These are ideas I have been thinking of if SE is on board to put them in place. If not then unfortunately nothing will be resolved.

    As for your P2W - they already offer potions to do level and story skips so.....
    I don't think you understand the ripple effects. Do you do any high end raiding or crafting? Microtransactions such as you are proposing would destroy these gameplay aspects for everyone who does them (a staggeringly large community), and still would do little to nothing to curb the rampant botting and Gil selling. Level pots aren't P2W in the same way, they still place you 10 levels behind current and do not include the latest expansion for story jumps. If I could legit buy Gil I could just buy the top tier crafted gear, pay my way through the pentamelds, pay for the top tier raid food. XIV is for the most part very carefully crafted and balanced to extract the max amount of gameplay out of endgame build-up without being overly grindy (subjective), it's spread across many activities and gameplay types from DoH/L to the Raiders themselves. It also supports a HUGE amount of the game economy. "Illegal" Gil sales already disrupt this to some extent, "legal" sales through SE would destroy it. Based on my 9 years of experience with this game community P2W would drive a mass exodus, you should see the frothing at the mouth hate over NFT's, or what some see as SE's abuse of the cash shop just for cosmetics. P2W has a place for some game types, I do not believe XIV to be one of them.

    *Also see the Diablo 3 RM Auction House fiasco for more evidence of P2W gone wrong

    (Edit) FWIW I like many of your other ideas, and think they are worth consideration by the team. We can disagree on the Gil sales amicably
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrhin View Post
    I don't think you understand the ripple effects. Do you do any high end raiding or crafting? Microtransactions such as you are proposing would destroy these gameplay aspects for everyone who does them (a staggeringly large community), and still would do little to nothing to curb the rampant botting and Gil selling. Level pots aren't P2W in the same way, they still place you 10 levels behind current and do not include the latest expansion for story jumps. If I could legit buy Gil I could just buy the top tier crafted gear, pay my way through the pentamelds, pay for the top tier raid food. XIV is for the most part very carefully crafted and balanced to extract the max amount of gameplay out of endgame build-up without being overly grindy (subjective), it's spread across many activities and gameplay types from DoH/L to the Raiders themselves. It also supports a HUGE amount of the game economy. "Illegal" Gil sales already disrupt this to some extent, "legal" sales through SE would destroy it. Based on my 9 years of experience with this game community P2W would drive a mass exodus, you should see the frothing at the mouth hate over NFT's, or what some see as SE's abuse of the cash shop just for cosmetics. P2W has a place for some game types, I do not believe XIV to be one of them.

    *Also see the Diablo 3 RM Auction House fiasco for more evidence of P2W gone wrong

    (Edit) FWIW I like many of your other ideas, and think they are worth consideration by the team. We can disagree on the Gil sales amicably
    For once someone mentions about my other ideas. Thank you very much for reading them. I have so many ideas to try to make this game better and to please everyone by being fair.

    But my main goal for the microtransactions was to help multiple issues. People today are buying illegal gil so they are already doing what you are in fear of. It's happening as we speak. However, if SE allows microtransactions it will do the following:

    1. Crash the gil seller black market.
    2. Allow players to legit purchase gil without being banned or scammed if they choose to. This doesn't mean everyone will do it. Things may be as you see them now. There are already illegal boosting going on without the legit microtransaction in place by SE.
    3. This will help fund the game. Instead of one gil seller making $30k plus per year, that money will be given to SE to help fund the game for future requests and servers.

    In my opinion we are accomplishing a lot. The main goal is to shut down the black market for gil sellers and in return help fund FFXIV for SE.
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    Last edited by Seminole; 09-19-2022 at 02:01 PM.