Tales from the Dawn #4: "A Question of Death" (Jullus)

[Hurlstone]

I really enjoyed that story. Did not expect Jullus to be the character we follow, but I think this may be my favourite of the current bunch. I especially loved the final few paragraphs, very beautiful. I think It helps to show we are not done with Garlemald yet. Perhaps not in the MSQ (Unless Corvos is where we are headed in 7.0) but in a larger side quest perhaps. I would love to see the nation rise again, just without the colonialism or the shadow of the Ascians pulling their strings. They could still be a proud nation of people who can bring their Magitek to the world not as conquers, but to help their fellow citizens of the Star. I do love a good redemption story, and it would be a shame if they are just largely ignored going foward.

[SannaR]

I think that quote is specifically about Zenos, though the wording is confusing. Anyway, it is true that the Garlean Empire and Military as a organizing political force is fairly unambigously treated as a villianous force by the narrative.

Yoshi-P's quote about both sides of a given conflict having value is not a license for us to turn around and go, "yeah, I guess the genocidal, fascist empire trying to take over has a good point about might making right."

I feel like people are not distinguishing between the Garlean Empire, a fairly unambious evil, which was literally built by an ancient wizard to cause as much destruction and chaos in the world as possible - and the Garlean people, some of the first victims of that Empire.

The inability or at least not wanting to distinguish criticisms of two things that are tied to each other is a common thing of this forum. I doubt any distinction will be made any time soon. Heck even when people try to have a discussion about it there are those who will reply and just lump them back together and cry about how mean the opposition is. While calling people names and whatnot.

[Denishia]

I’m still mulling over the significance of Hypatia as one of the central Imperial women and that I’m probably reading way too much into it.

[Cleretic]

Sounsyy/mirkeManagerie is literally the biggest lore nerd I've ever met, seeing people reject a link to her stuff solely on 'oH bUt It'S TuMbLr' is sad. Yeah, you're allowed to have issues with the fact every single post of hers is a goddamn encyclopedia volume because she is ALWAYS posting receipts and tends to go for larger post topics instead of narrowing the focus, but if someone tells you to go for a specific section (as exactly happened when posting that link) then that issue is basically nothing, she's very easy to learn from if you're inclined to listen. Rejecting it because you don't like the blogging site they use is just childish.

I really enjoyed that story. Did not expect Jullus to be the character we follow, but I think this may be my favourite of the current bunch. I especially loved the final few paragraphs, very beautiful. I think It helps to show we are not done with Garlemald yet. Perhaps not in the MSQ (Unless Corvos is where we are headed in 7.0) but in a larger side quest perhaps. I would love to see the nation rise again, just without the colonialism or the shadow of the Ascians pulling their strings. They could still be a proud nation of people who can bring their Magitek to the world not as conquers, but to help their fellow citizens of the Star. I do love a good redemption story, and it would be a shame if they are just largely ignored going foward.

Again, I bet the Garleans are coming up in various sidequests; not only have they already sown those seeds through the role quest capstone, it would also help in giving them a space to flesh out the Garleans' story while not letting it force its way center-stage. Certainly, Garlemald can make great use of such a stage, but if the angle for 6.0 is indeed something of a fresh start for the story, the writers might be inclined to focusing on a story without a lot of the baggage of the game before it. Same reason we're not gonna have 6.0's kickoff be a Rejoining or something tied to minutia of the whole cosmological side of things; if they want 6.0 onward to define itself and stand on its own, perhaps to the point of being a whole new jumping-on point, you don't want to make its entry point 'okay time to understand the entire history of Eorzea's relationship with Garlemald because it's all complicated and all important'.

[SannaR]

I really enjoyed that story. Did not expect Jullus to be the character we follow, but I think this may be my favourite of the current bunch. I especially loved the final few paragraphs, very beautiful. I think It helps to show we are not done with Garlemald yet. Perhaps not in the MSQ (Unless Corvos is where we are headed in 7.0) but in a larger side quest perhaps. I would love to see the nation rise again, just without the colonialism or the shadow of the Ascians pulling their strings. They could still be a proud nation of people who can bring their Magitek to the world not as conquers, but to help their fellow citizens of the Star. I do love a good redemption story, and it would be a shame if they are just largely ignored going foward.

I still think there is hope they make it back into the MSQ. Hopefully soon after we wrap up the Void business. I'm not sure where I'd want 7.0 to go as I feel as though Corvos sounds interesting they have been dangling a certain home of kangaroo, hippos, and what is left of Bahamut and Timat's brood for a few years. Hopefully this dip into Jullus's pov means we won't have to wait too long to get back there and see what has been going on since 6.0's end.

[RukoBoshi]

That was a really nice side story, i'm glad we're getting Garlemald content here, because the game is pretty lacking about it for the moment.
The story makes me hopeful that there is still story to tell about this nation, and i hope it won't be sidelined too quickly.

I'm especially interested in the situation in the provinces of Garlemald, some may rightfully take their independence, but i'm curious to see if some won't continue to side with the empire.
My hope would be to get a Garlemald representative, like Larsa from FFXII, who was the heir of the empire in that game. He would accompany the main characters, see the world, understand what is expected of him, what he should do for the people and end up leading the empire.
I know the role quest talk about Garlemald ending the royalty, but i would still like for the empire to continue existing but to redeem itself.

There's a lot of potential, especially considering the empire has done a lot of horrible things to the subjugated provinces, and they would feel righteous in not wanting to stay in the empire or even actively antagonize it.

[Hurlstone]

Again, I bet the Garleans are coming up in various sidequests; not only have they already sown those seeds through the role quest capstone, it would also help in giving them a space to flesh out the Garleans' story while not letting it force its way center-stage. Certainly, Garlemald can make great use of such a stage, but if the angle for 6.0 is indeed something of a fresh start for the story, the writers might be inclined to focusing on a story without a lot of the baggage of the game before it. Same reason we're not gonna have 6.0's kickoff be a Rejoining or something tied to minutia of the whole cosmological side of things; if they want 6.0 onward to define itself and stand on its own, perhaps to the point of being a whole new jumping-on point, you don't want to make its entry point 'okay time to understand the entire history of Eorzea's relationship with Garlemald because it's all complicated and all important'.

Yeah I very much agree. It was the Job capstone that convinced me that the Garleand story was not over, and a shot story like this just convinces me more. A side quest-like story would actually be the better place to explore their rebuilding I think, as it would let them explore the topic at a slower pace, given how MSQ's are more bombastic in nature. Plus as you say the empathises on the next chapter being a new adventure makes me think Garlemald or any large story-beat from the last decade, is unlikely. I do wonder if they will actually make 7.0 a 'jump in point' for new players. I think that is possible.

I still think there is hope they make it back into the MSQ. Hopefully soon after we wrap up the Void business. I'm not sure where I'd want 7.0 to go as I feel as though Corvos sounds interesting they have been dangling a certain home of kangaroo, hippos, and what is left of Bahamut and Timat's brood for a few years. Hopefully this dip into Jullus's pov means we won't have to wait too long to get back there and see what has been going on since 6.0's end.

Haha yeah, if I was a betting person then I would put my gil on Meracydia being the location of 7.0 (With the New World being second, Corvos being third and another Shard being an outliner) We may see them again in the MSQ, but as Cleretic said I think its gonna be more in side content.

[AwesomeJr44]

Yeah, you're allowed to have issues with the fact every single post of hers is a goddamn encyclopedia volume because she is ALWAYS posting receipts and tends to go for larger post topics instead of narrowing the focus, but if someone tells you to go for a specific section (as exactly happened when posting that link) then that issue is basically nothing, she's very easy to learn from if you're inclined to listen.

Telling people to read a text wall instead of specifying which part of said text wall is relevant isn't acceptable, even if which text wall out the list of text walls is specified. Not that Oatmeal specified which text wall out of the two Garlean ones to begin with. It's simply not fair to expect other people to devote a large portion of time to read a massive text wall when you could easily just point out what's important or give a synopsis, but Oatmeal refused to do so. But that's the problem, he didn't want to do the research himself, he just posted a link to the main page of the equivalent of FFXIV Wikipedia and said "figure it out". I'd assume that if I did that to you, you'd most likely dismiss that as that's a stupid thing to ask someone to do. We're not talking about a link to a one page essay. He linked us to the main page of the blog, gave us nearly no directions on which of the two pages was the correct one, (and I'd like to assume he wasn't stupid enough to assume anyone was willing to read not one but two text walls) and then demanded that we read the entirety of the massive text wall(s) with no indication on which sections were important.

And when asked if he could provide a specific portion of the text walls on Garlemald...

I would have specified if I wanted you to read a particular paragraph.

So no, we were not told to go to a specific section under the Garlemald pages. This was the equivalent of demanding that someone watch every cutscene in Shadowbringers when discussing lore about Il Mheg. Why not just specify which cutscene is relevant to your point? Oh wait, it wasn't about providing sources relevant to his points, he just wanted to waste our time.

Rejecting it because you don't like the blogging site they use is just childish.

I rejected it due to 1) not being given a specific area to read, 2) the titles showing an underlying bias, and 3) statements from someone I trust far more than you or Mikko. (I'm not familiar with Mikko and I've found you to be a very unreliable source of information) The link leading to Tumblr of all sites was just a hilarious bit of icing on the cake. You can't deny that being on Tumblr is going to make it harder to be taken seriously.

Haha yeah, if I was a betting person then I would put my gil on Meracydia being the location of 7.0

Unless the void storyline lasts a lot longer than we expect, (I doubt it will) Meracydia is the most likely option.

[KariTheFox]

I'm really struggling see how that tumblr link is supposed to be biased. by all accounts, it appears to be an enormous compilation of direct quotes from the game, enclyopedia Eorzea and other sources.

[RukoBoshi]

I'm really struggling see how that tumblr link is supposed to be biased. by all accounts, it appears to be an enormous compilation of direct quotes from the game, enclyopedia Eorzea and other sources.

I fail to see what is wrong too. I was thinking the author of the page would intermingle their opinions into the lore, but as far as i can tell everything posted there is sourced from the encyclopedia and official sources and use proper quotations.

That site did a nice job to put all these informations in a easy way to navigate, i think it is reliable enough.