Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[Allegor]

I don't know where that "they decided on two looks" thing came from. Do they happen to have a source on that, because I'm curious to know in what context it surfaced.

I vaguely recall Yoshi P mentioning it - in a very throwaway line way, mind you - in some Q&A sometime before 6.1, if not the 6.1 LL itself. They had already settled on 2 of the Hrothgals faces and were still deciding on the latter 2. Assuming that was at least 3 months ago, they may have already decided on their final look by now.

[CidHeiral]

I vaguely recall Yoshi P mentioning it - in a very throwaway line way, mind you - in some Q&A sometime before 6.1, if not the 6.1 LL itself. They had already settled on 2 of the Hrothgals faces and were still deciding on the latter 2. Assuming that was at least 3 months ago, they may have already decided on their final look by now.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/456921

Q: Do you have any updates regarding female Hrothgar?
（04:14:39）

A: With Endwalker-related tasks finally calming down, rough sketches are now being made to solidify their design in earnest. It’ll be a long while before they’re implemented, but progress has been steady.

Some may think, “Won’t only a few people play as female Hrothgar?” but my concerns aren’t really about whether female Hrothgar will become as popular as other races. More importantly, expanding the in-game world with a variety of different races and players of varying characteristics is a crucial step towards making FFXIV an RPG that can be played alone or with friends. As such, it’s not about how many people will use them, but rather about implementing female Hrothgar for the people looking forward to them.

However, that's not exactly what is said in the video. The relevant bit transcribed from the translator in the video is:

"So right now we've had the art team draw a variety of styles for a possible female Hrothgar design. We've picked two of them and we're currently thinking about how those would look and what adjustments we would have to involve putting those into character creation. So obviously it's going to be some time before we can implement them as a race, but we are working and we are making progress."

[Midareyukki]

I vaguely recall Yoshi P mentioning it - in a very throwaway line way, mind you - in some Q&A sometime before 6.1, if not the 6.1 LL itself. They had already settled on 2 of the Hrothgals faces and were still deciding on the latter 2. Assuming that was at least 3 months ago, they may have already decided on their final look by now.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/456921

"rough sketches are now being made to solidify their design in earnest" doesn't mean there were two designs... From what it sounds like to me is that they're now starting to come up with conceptual sketches and figure out what the best course is.

[Allegor]

I'm not sure if it was from that stream, but at least I do recall they specifically mentioned "2" ....or it was a mistranslation, who knows /shrug

That said, at least from that statement we can confirm that even if they're yassified, they'd still likely be somewhat feral. So begone 'Miqote 2.0' enjoyers >:U

*edit* Oh ok, so they settled on 2 draft designs from the bunch to judge, but even those aren't set in stone yet.

[CidHeiral]

Check my post again. I watched that part of the video afterward and edited to include what is actually said.

[Midareyukki]

Check my post again. I watched that part of the video afterward and edited to include what is actually said.

Oh :P Sorry, jumped the gun.

However, that's not exactly what is said in the video. The relevant bit transcribed from the translator in the video is: "So right now we've had the art team draw a variety of styles for a possible female Hrothgar design. We've picked two of them and we're currently thinking about how those would look and what adjustments we would have to involve putting those into character creation. So obviously it's going to be some time before we can implement them as a race, but we are working and we are making progress."

From that, it seems that they did choose two designs, but aren't sure how to model them or if they will mesh with the rest of the game. As well as what character creation menu options they'll require. Because remember, our character creation menus are recycled options. Sliders are repurposed, which is why some have muscle sliders and others have tail sliders.

Of course, question is, which two designs are they and what do they look like?

At this point I think we've made it clear what sort of designs the majority wants? At least I think so, especially given that hierarchy I mentioned: you have feedback from people who really want to play female Hrothgar, you have feedback from people who might be impacted by their inclusion but might not play them directly, and people who will not play it nor be impacted by. We might want to start asking Square to share more information, at least from a preliminary standpoint.

Because we know Square won't share designs, they never do. But a hint to their overall design path and what they themselves think the game should feature is important to temper our expectations and check to see if it matches what their playerbase wants.

Or, you know we'll get ears chopped off again. Or we'll start "demanding unrealistic stuff" again. Because we didn't temper any expectations nor know what to expect at all!

I'm not sure if it was from that stream, but at least I do recall they specifically mentioned "2" ....or it was a mistranslation, who knows /shrug

That said, at least from that statement we can confirm that even if they're yassified, they'd still likely be somewhat feral. So begone 'Miqote 2.0' enjoyers >:U

*edit* Oh ok, so they settled on 2 draft designs from the bunch to judge, but even those aren't set in stone yet.

*cough* I hope so xD ngl I hope that they're somewhat feral at least. They should match us, imo. Miqo'te 2.0 sound cool, but like... for people who want Miqo 2.0, have you considered that the one reason Hrothgar were even added to this game was because THE DEVS DIDN'T WANT ANOTHER SAME-Y RACE? Respectfully.

Like, no diss to Viera players, power to them, but the devs only made Vieras bc fans really had an expectation for it. They had otherwise discarded their Viera designs for being too similar to other races.

[GTK0HLK]

Here's hoping they release some info soon without us having to pry it with a barrage of questions[aka by their choosing]

Will avoid setting expectations from people's images/references.
while she won't be anywhere near my main.<since I still got lots to do with my true main.> it'll be a wait til we can get hands on the creation.[she'll be 4th alt.]

slightly off topic. since they'll be adjust the models as well of the existing races.
I bet they're being made with future Visual adjustments from the start.[or at least hope so.]
<which also begs the question of, If the females will be walking around higher res than the males for awhile>

[Midareyukki]

Here's hoping they release some info soon without us having to pry it with a barrage of questions[aka by their choosing]

Will avoid setting expectations from people's images/references.
while she won't be anywhere near my main.<since I still got lots to do with my true main.> it'll be a wait til we can get hands on the creation.[she'll be 4th alt.]

slightly off topic. since they'll be adjust the models as well of the existing races.
I bet they're being made with future Visual adjustments from the start.[or at least hope so.]
<which also begs the question of, If the females will be walking around higher res than the males for awhile>

True, we need to be cautious. If anything bc they do seem picky when it comes to Hrothgars -._.-

But you know how streamers tend to have Q&A's with them? At least one question should be "You mentioned female Hrothgar were coming. You also mentioned the team had an idea for their designs. Without getting into any details, can you say more about the sort of vision the team has?". And just leave it at that, they can respond however they want. They likely will be cryptic, but anything's better than silence.

As for the rest, I think it will depend greatly on their timing. We know the overhaul for the original races (Au Ra seem to be left out) will come eventually. We don't know when the remaining three will come. If they find time to make the remaining three by 7.0, then odds are they'll be released either before or with Female Hrothgar. If not, then Female Hrothgar will come with better graphics and we'll have to wait a little longer.

...assuming they will make it with better graphics to begin with. I daresay, sometimes Square is that daft that I think this would be an actual possibility -._.-

[SturmChurro]

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I just felt that with how female viera looked, it would make complete sense for their male counterpart to be handsome, and masculine. Where female viera look like women, male viera look like MEN. As I have said, that also is my preference for a male character. Likewise, with female hrothgar, I'd like them to look like a proper counterpart to male hrothgar, but still look good. I am less hung up on the popularity argument as I was in the past. I have softened a lot on a lot of my stances, though I still hold pretty much the same opinions on what I'd prefer them to look like.

Looks like others are now trying to answer that, I would never really know, as I get most of my information about the game from the forums.

With a race like hrothgar, I don't think there is really a potential way of satisfying everyone, unfortunately. They could sacrifice the more bestial look for a more human-like one, which would alienate players who want the former, or do the reverse and go for a more bestial look, rather than a more human-like one, alienating players who want that. This isn't even to mention their body shape!

The thing with male viera is that SE seemingly compromised with their look, because a lot of players actually wanted them quite shorter than they are, and more androgynous. What I find kind of funny is the amount of people that actually have switched off male viera who wanted them. While there are still a decent amount who play them, there are many who switched off due to the current limitations - which we warned them about. I do hope potential female hrothgar players will keep in mind the current limitations and give more feedback regarding that, this time around, or at least keep that in mind when they think about the inclusion of female hrothgar.

[Allegor]

That comment already highlighted that their priority is that they "fit" rather than popularity, but much like how Yoshi had to outright confirm male Viera would not be shotas, it'd be nice if he'd at least assure us Hrothgals won't be 'humans' - I'm sure that alone would pacify most of the ...worries we're having.