Tales from the Dawn #4: "A Question of Death" (Jullus)

[MikkoAkure]

Whatever the Ilsabard Contingent's plans are, two things are clear: 1) there is an appetite for ceruleum outside of Garlemald, which will only grow as knowledge of its uses expands, thus fuelling demand over and above existing, readily available reserves and 2) not everyone belongs to it or will be bound by its commitments. It really doesn't take much imagination to think of a scenario where a former hostile neighbour of it tries to seize a weakened Garlemald for its ceruleum reserves, to marshal the sort of military force it had (to say nothing of potential non-military applications), even if none of the nations participating in the Ilsabard Contingent would - at present. And that's the sole point being made.

That's still a lot of "what if?" and conjecture. To my knowledge, no one in-game from Eorzea has made mention of plundering Garlemald's ceruleum and piping it to Eorzea.

The fact that it's from tumblr. TUMBLR. Do you honestly expect anyone to take anything seriously when it's on tumblr? Do you have a MySpace edition too?

Tumblr is still Tumblr, but Mirke's Menagerie is the greatest single source of properly compiled and sorted FFXIV lore I've seen on the internet and Sounsyy has done a really good job of putting it together. It's easier to flip through the topics to find bits of lore than opening up the encyclopedias, or searching through dialogue on other sites. Discounting it just because of the website it's on, not even clicking it, and posting an MCU reaction gif is what I'd expect a stereotypical Tumblr user to do so I guess you're already halfway there.

[SentioftheHoukai]

That's still a lot of "what if?" and conjecture. To my knowledge, no one in-game from Eorzea has made mention of plundering Garlemald's ceruleum and piping it to Eorzea.




Tumblr is still Tumblr, but Mirke's Menagerie is the greatest single source of properly compiled and sorted FFXIV lore I've seen on the internet and Sounsyy has done a really good job of putting it together. It's easier to flip through the topics to find bits of lore than opening up the encyclopedias, or searching through dialogue on other sites. Discounting it just because of the website it's on, not even clicking it, and posting an MCU reaction gif is what I'd expect a stereotypical Tumblr user to do so I guess you're already halfway there.

Perhaps, but the author possesses a known bias. The Encylopaedia Eorzea lacks such things. Almanacs are expected to remain impartial, when they do not they lose the respect and trust they require to survive. It's indicative of the perils of the modern internet, that such repositories tend to be less reliable than that which is hand-written due to the considerable vetting and fact-checking processes that such knowledge gets put through before publishing. Tumblr lacks these rigorous safeguards, hence my comparison to Reddit and Wikipedia. Any such information found firmly on the internet and the internet alone is subject to butchering based upon bias rather than the factual and the court of public opinion can influence what is thus written.

In shorthand, I suppose then: Despite it's disjointed nature, I personally would yet sooner pick up a copy of one of the Encylopaedia Eorzeas' Volumes than trust what is written on an unverified, unvetted public domain blog. I cannot trust such a compromised source.

[MikkoAkure]

Perhaps, but the author possesses a known bias. The Encylopaedia Eorzea lacks such things. Almanacs are expected to remain impartial, when they do not they lose the respect and trust they require to survive.

It's been around for years so if they have a bias it hasn't affected their longevity and they're still posting and updating.

They mostly just compile a bunch of dialogue and passages from the encyclopedias and in-game items into something easily parseable so I'm not sure how a bias, if it exists, would matter.

It's indicative of the perils of the modern internet, that such repositories tend to be less reliable than that which is hand-written due to the considerable vetting and fact-checking processes that such knowledge gets put through before publishing. Tumblr lacks these rigorous safeguards, hence my comparison to Reddit and Wikipedia. Any such information found firmly on the internet and the internet alone is subject to butchering based upon bias rather than the factual and the court of public opinion can influence what is thus written.

People here link gamer escape all the time, is that any different? If you see something you don't agree with or don't think is true, you can always fire up the game and compare the text there to the text in the game. They're not free-handing whole passages of lore, they're copy-pasting it from the source. Jeez.

[thegreatonemal]

Perhaps, but the author possesses a known bias. The Encylopaedia Eorzea lacks such things. Almanacs are expected to remain impartial, when they do not they lose the respect and trust they require to survive. It's indicative of the perils of the modern internet, that such repositories tend to be less reliable than that which is hand-written due to the considerable vetting and fact-checking processes that such knowledge gets put through before publishing. Tumblr lacks these rigorous safeguards, hence my comparison to Reddit and Wikipedia. Any such information found firmly on the internet and the internet alone is subject to butchering based upon bias rather than the factual and the court of public opinion can influence what is thus written.

In shorthand, I suppose then: Despite it's disjointed nature, I personally would yet sooner pick up a copy of the Encylopaedia Eorzeas than trust what is written on an unverified, unvetted public domain blog. I cannot trust such a compromised source.

How would you know it has a bias, you refused to click on it.

[AwesomeJr44]

Neat, neither of you did what I asked. Do what I asked you please.

What if I don't want to? Just post the relevant parts of your source here as text instead of asking me to go read this post and do your research for you. Like Lauront said here:

What specifically are you asking us to look at, and why? Copy and paste it here.

Give us the relevant part of the source and the link so we can check it, don't dump a 30m read on people and expect them to read it. Also, not everyone in life is gonna do as you ask buddy, I'd get used to that.

Regardless, I am going to continue finding the fact that your apparent choice pick for a source is from Tumblr to be hilarious.

Tumblr is still Tumblr, but Mirke's Menagerie is the greatest single source of properly compiled and sorted FFXIV lore I've seen on the internet and Sounsyy has done a really good job of putting it together.

Cool. I'm not reading a massive Tumblr post because Oatboy here can't specify what he wants us to read. What I've seen so far from it (I skimmed it for like a min just to see what he linked) this Sounsyy also seems biased as heck so not looking too good as an unbiased source of information.

Perhaps, but the author possesses a known bias. The Encylopaedia Eorzea lacks such things. Almanacs are expected to remain impartial, when they do not they lose the respect and trust they require to survive. It's indicative of the perils of the modern internet, that such repositories tend to be less reliable than that which is hand-written due to the considerable vetting and fact-checking processes that such knowledge gets put through before publishing. Tumblr lacks these rigorous safeguards, hence my comparison to Reddit and Wikipedia. Any such information found firmly on the internet and the internet alone is subject to butchering based upon bias rather than the factual and the court of public opinion can influence what is thus written.

In shorthand, I suppose then: Despite it's disjointed nature, I personally would yet sooner pick up a copy of one of the Encylopaedia Eorzeas' Volumes than trust what is written on an unverified, unvetted public domain blog. I cannot trust such a compromised source.

I will assume you know more about this source than Mikko as what I've seen lines up with what you've said. It doesn't seem like a good balanced source of information.

How would you know it has a bias, you refused to click on it.

Have you considered that maybe they've encountered their work before and thus doesn't bother with clicking on their work? I've skimmed it and it doesn't seem like a good source.

[SentioftheHoukai]

I will assume you know more about this source than Mikko as what I've seen lines up with what you've said. It doesn't seem like a good balanced source of information.

le sigh As galling as it is to admit to such, I actually have perused said repository in the past. Hence:



I refuse to sully myself with it again. I'll stick to my Encylopaedia Eorzeas, despite my misgivings with them.

If you read the original comment you'd know what section I asked that person to read. I believe it's on page seven of this post. Sentai, didn't read that comment fully and just focused on the fact that its a tumblr link. The original person I gave the link to has not replied back, probably because they are reading it as I asked, maybe who knows.

Inaccurate. I honestly didn't deem giving you the time of day a worthwhile endeavour, but my consciousness refused to relinquish its grasp upon my doubt. So... no. I know of the aforementioned bias out of personal experience, and I'd sooner trust the veracity of the direct words of some of the resident "lore experts" here on this side of the forum over another stint amongst the Menagerie. At least it's title is faithful.

[MikkoAkure]

I will assume you know more about this source than Mikko as what I've seen lines up with what you've said. It doesn't seem like a good balanced source of information.

I know that this is getting off-topic but this is kind of funny. How is it biased? What part of a lore compilation blog makes you think that there's some sort of angle? Where do you get your own information from? How do you spread your bias by posting video game dialogue and lore entries from common topics together?

I don't think they're trying to brainwash people into anything.