Tales from the Dawn #4: "A Question of Death" (Jullus)

[KariTheFox]

I feel like in order to be appealing targets for invasion, the Garleans need to not only be weak, but also have a resource that is worth going to war for.

The land of Garlemald isn't very valuable for farmland, and the big cerulean deposits they're sitting on are not going to be in high demand without the Garlean Empire's war machine.

Also, doing so now would mean souring diplomatic relations with Sharlayan, Thavanair, and the Eorzean Alliance, not a good idea really.

[Absimiliard]

Ceruleum is currently employed by all major nations for everything from lighting to cooking, and the gradual adoption of magitek as a whole is very likely to expand that demand even further. Heck, Ishgard is about to start rocking magitek heaters. Cid's been working in Eorzea for a while, and now the Garleans themselves are pretty likely to share technology as a means of remaining useful.

[Theodric]

I feel like in order to be appealing targets for invasion, the Garleans need to not only be weak, but also have a resource that is worth going to war for.

The land of Garlemald isn't very valuable for farmland, and the big cerulean deposits they're sitting on are not going to be in high demand without the Garlean Empire's war machine.

Also, doing so now would mean souring diplomatic relations with Sharlayan, Thavanair, and the Eorzean Alliance, not a good idea really.

The Garleans were attacked even over those scant resources as outlined in the reaper job quests:



Furthermore, ceruleum is an incredibly valuable resource that can only be found in specific places - and all signs are pointing to many nations embracing magitek to a greater degree even when accounting for purely non-military pursuits.

[SentioftheHoukai]

I feel like in order to be appealing targets for invasion, the Garleans need to not only be weak, but also have a resource that is worth going to war for.

The land of Garlemald isn't very valuable for farmland, and the big cerulean deposits they're sitting on are not going to be in high demand without the Garlean Empire's war machine.

Also, doing so now would mean souring diplomatic relations with Sharlayan, Thavanair, and the Eorzean Alliance, not a good idea really.

You do realize ceruleum has far, far more varied uses beyond just war and magitek right? Have we already forgotten Limsa Lominsa's "Garleans are free real estate" policy regarding privateer raids? Eorzea already had every use for ceruleum even before Endwalker. Also, don't think I didn't notice y'all sidestepping the issue I proposed here. It's not the city-states reactions I'm worried about, it's the former Imperial provinces that the Eorzean Alliance has no real manner of control over the actions of. As the Ilsabard contingent proves, many people held an irrational hatred for Garlemald that clouded their judgement and it barred them from participating in the rescue efforts. For what reason have we been given that these hatreds have suddenly evaporated now that Eorzea need no longer unify its' attentions towards the common threat that was the Final Days?

This is the same manner of reasoning and trains of thought that excused the atrocities of the Exodus of Locus Amoenus, and forged the likes of Yotsuyu goe Brutus and Fordola rem Lupis.

"Focus on my problems and woes, these other dilemmas can be solved later!"

....Meanwhile, far after those woes have been dissolved suddenly the original issue is left languishing and unresolved, stirring up hatreds that didn't need to come to fruition. If only more people had cared beyond their own interests.

[Denishia]

What sounds more likely for this game when it finally progresses the plot-threads of the aftermath of the Garlean Empire’s collapse: with the assistance of the Eorzean Alliance, a Garlemald without all its conquered territories and under a new government that is not free of problems or corruption but is lightyears ahead of what was before, bolstered by its technologically educated citizens and cerulean deposit (which it does not have a monopoly on) begins to rebuild and stabilize into a country that no longer threatens peace in Ilsabard - to invoke the post WWII fates of Japan and Germany? Or that it stays a desolate wasteland with only a few refugee stragglers? Or it becomes an exploited colony of Eorzea, thus suffering the fate it had inflicted or tried to inflict on other places like Eorzea and Doma? Or a few years of seeming reform before a new dictator restarts the imperial ambitions and invades a neighbor by claiming to liberate oppressed Garleans? At least while the WoL is around I have a feeling that the first option is the most likely even if the last two have their historical predecessors as well.

And until we get more of Ilsabard’s map revealed (in 7.0, one hopes) the fates of the other conquered territories and the surviving Garlean legions stationed there and the fates of the colonial ruling class (and conscription army) and if they clung to power, made alliances with the native populations that they conquered and had at least for some been invested in for fifty years, or were all expelled or killed with the odd exception- well that’s been left purposefully blank. Maybe we’ll never learn about the other Ilsabard nation states except Werlyt and Corvos.

[Theodric]

Who knows? A lot of us didn't expect the game to praise acts of deliberate genocide as a 'necessity' though the story did exactly that when it came to Venat/Hydaelyn. It's been firmly established that the protagonists are very happy to turn a blind eye to horrific atrocities so long as it does not affect them directly and they stand to benefit in some way.

[AwesomeJr44]

Who knows? A lot of us didn't expect the game to praise acts of deliberate genocide as a 'necessity' though the story did exactly that when it came to Venat/Hydaelyn. It's been firmly established that the protagonists are very happy to turn a blind eye to horrific atrocities so long as it does not affect them directly and they stand to benefit in some way.

I get the feeling that the Garleans are going to soon return to their status before the empire's existence, a group of people exploited and bullied by everyone else. And our magnificent lovely 'heroes' are going to tell them to simply 'Forge Ahead' (TM). Or they might just just be forced to Forge Ahead (TM) all the way to the moon and go into lunar sleep cause as we all know, this expansion can't do anything other than rip off FF4 every 5 seconds.

I feel like in order to be appealing targets for invasion, the Garleans need to not only be weak, but also have a resource that is worth going to war for.

They are, and Ceruleum.

[SannaR]

Nice way to fan the flames and bring up said topic many are tired of retreading

[thegreatonemal]

Have you ever seen what happens when an oppressed people gain their freedom? The first thing on their mind is normally revenge. Rebuilding may take to priority early on so as to make certain their needs are being met, but what do you think comes after? Or am I expected to believe people of Etheirys are above such petty things?

That's not what happens normally. There might be a fight for independence to free themselves. Slaves in America didn't up and kill all the white people after the civil war. After the fighting died down in Hati, they didn't go hunting down any french people as two examples from the real world. So yes, As it was stated in game already, nobody cares about making the Garleans suffer.

Just to put this thing to bed real quick. Nobody but the Garlean's care about ceruleum So no one would be invading them for that. The garleans used it to heat their homes before they used it in weapons to make up for not being able to use magic. Using fantasy oil just sounds like extra steps when you can cast fire1 if your cold at night.

[Absimiliard]

I strongly advise cracking open a history book at your earliest convenience.