The 7th Circle illegitimate waymarks post is a bit laughable

[Tiramu]

So what?

SE are clear that 3rd party addons are against the TOS. If you then decide to use them anyway then you do so at your own risk.

No good getting upset about it. If you decide that the rules dont apply to you then a ban is the risk you take. You gotta weigh up your own risks with that.

That all said, I agree with the poster who brought up RMT. It would be nice if they could do this for the daily RMT bots touting their websites in every city in the game.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

So they're able to trace back the original owner of the waymark but somehow unable to put similar effort against RMT bot rings and its customers?

There's nothing else new to see there, I suppose.

[Packetdancer]

So they're able to trace back the original owner of the waymark but somehow unable to put similar effort against RMT bot rings and its customers?

On a wild guess, since JP went completely pants-on-fire insane over the waymarks, they were probably reported almost immediately. Meaning SQEX likely only had to look at a relatively small number of potential culprits by looking at those first reports. (And from a cultural standpoint, I would actually not be surprised if the culprit confessed.)

Conversely, keep in mind that SQEX bans a lot of RMT folks on a recurring cycle, but RMT groups treat all their accounts as expendable/disposable. Doubly so since they gain resources (and potentially accounts with a "clean history", as it were) via phishing; currency taken will be quickly handed off to another compromised account, then used by that amount to buy multiple deliberately-overpriced listings off the market being sold by other (potentially compromised) accounts, which hand the money off to another, etc.

And since much of that is automated by bots that log in and do all that, it can happen breathtakingly quickly.

(I have been part of a dev team trying to come up with ways to shut this stuff down. The RMT sellers will do stuff like split money into a hundred different branching transaction chains to make it too time-consuming to follow and deal with each one, things like that. It was incredibly frustrating.)

Literally the only way I've ever seen work to chase third-party RMT folks out of a game permanently is to introduce first-party RMT, a'la EVE Online's PLEX or the CREDD system that WildStar had; if the devs become the RMT currency-seller, the third parties can't compete.

But that's a really cursed solution.

(Now, botting in general? That, SQEX could demonstrably do a lot better on cracking down on, no question.)

[Lieri]

P7S is the most annoying raid I have ever done in this game and not because its hard, its just annoying. They could have made the starting platform larger and then make it smaller several seconds into the fight.

[Curisu]

Who does even need way marks on the outside of that fight?
Like, just look on the ground and you see the save positions marked there.
Way marks just make it harder to see the floor structure.

[Atelier-Bagur]

This issue was known back in 5.5 with Diamond. Not every rule is valid. NEXT

Good to know that it's ok to ignore rules if you don't like them.

[Iyrnthota]

Good to know that it's ok to ignore rules if you don't like them.

Let's be honest, we all do that depending on what the rules are.

[Panthurrr]

Let's be honest, we all do that depending on what the rules are.

This is why I like the Nuzlocke community. When they don't like they rules, they add more.

Hard to believe people think it's valid to break rules because they can't beat a challenge without doing so. Only thing savage about that is their level of moral reasoning.

[Atelier-Bagur]

This is why I like the Nuzlocke community. When they don't like they rules, they add more.

Hard to believe people think it's valid to break rules because they can't beat a challenge without doing so. Only thing savage about that is their level of moral reasoning.

Honestly I'm not even supporting the reasoning behind some of the rules. I do think it would be ideal if SE would at least work with what some of the community who have experience in coding to implement wanted QoL features.


But if they're adamant about them not wanting us to fiddle with their game for that end and it's in their ToS which we all agreed to in order to play this game then we should at the very least understand when they enforce punishment when they catch people who break the ToS.

We shouldn't be outraging that they're enforcing their own rules, when those same rules also work in our own favor.

[FireMage]

Honestly I'm not even supporting the reasoning behind some of the rules. I do think it would be ideal if SE would at least work with what some of the community who have experience in coding to implement wanted QoL features.


But if they're adamant about them not wanting us to fiddle with their game for that end and it's in their ToS which we all agreed to in order to play this game then we should at the very least understand when they enforce punishment when they catch people who break the ToS.

We shouldn't be outraging that they're enforcing their own rules, when those same rules also work in our own favor.

Oh this is rich, do go on and explain how not being able to place waymarks in places we should be able to is in our favor