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    Amillia Beaumont
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    Midgardsormr
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Currently MCH is my main this tier; I don't think it's NEARLY as bad as people are making it out to be TBH. While at the end of the fight I might find myself in 3rd or 4th on the totem pole, most of the fight I am well within the other 3 DPS we are bringing to the savage tier.

    If we're talking about bringing the class more inline with other "Greedy" dps, then there are a few things I can see needing to happen:

    1) Increase the potency of a few skills and/or combo skills (Not a massive bump but even something within the wheel house of 25-50 potency depending on the skills they choose.)

    2) It would be nice if Wildfire actually felt meaningful as an ability that I'm supposed to be chaining Hypercharge with. Currently an entire cycle of Wildfire only equates to a DH/Crit of Chain Saw/Drill/Air Anchor. Perhaps to remedy this an increase in potency of the explosion at the end in conjunction with a small fire DoT afterwards could make it feel like it's worth using more.

    3) Queen just had a re-work; however, I am seeing a glaring issue in how it's being handled considering the timer reduction. When you initiate Queen, the summoning timer for her ticks down 3 seconds before she actually starts doing any DPS. If on her landing, she could do some sort of initial landing AoE damage that could minimize this 3 second delay, it would be swell.
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    Cassia Kaedhan
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiBeau View Post
    Currently MCH is my main this tier; I don't think it's NEARLY as bad as people are making it out to be TBH. While at the end of the fight I might find myself in 3rd or 4th on the totem pole, most of the fight I am well within the other 3 DPS we are bringing to the savage tier.
    Pure DPS will most likely end up on the top of the pole due to their lack of rDPS and how they scale well with the party member rDPS.
    It's after that Pure DPS are taxed.
    The problem is that Dancer and Bard can go quite higher while providing utility.

    Also it seems you are currently progging P6S if I'm not mistaken?
    Don't you think your output would be much more valuable if you experienced the whole tier?
    P5S can be passed quite easily regardless of the DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    Don't you think your output would be much more valuable if you experienced the whole tier?
    P5S can be passed quite easily regardless of the DPS.
    There should be no gate keeping here. Whether I experience one fight of the tier or the entire tier, I can still identify issues with the class I play. I addressed them, and laid out ways to possibly fix the issues to bring them more in line with other pure dps classes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiBeau View Post
    Currently MCH is my main this tier; I don't think it's NEARLY as bad as people are making it out to be TBH. While at the end of the fight I might find myself in 3rd or 4th on the totem pole, most of the fight I am well within the other 3 DPS we are bringing to the savage tier.
    Quote Originally Posted by AmiBeau View Post
    There should be no gate keeping here. Whether I experience one fight of the tier or the entire tier, I can still identify issues with the class I play. I addressed them, and laid out ways to possibly fix the issues to bring them more in line with other pure dps classes.
    This is no gatekeeping, let me define what I mean:
    First let's adress the elephant in the room
    "I might find myself in 3rd or 4th on the totem pole, most of the fight I am well within the other 3 DPS we are bringing to the savage tier."
    The context of this sentence completely change if you mean all floor or a single one.

    Secondly, the problem is that the first floor is very lenient with DPS check, you can have many death of player executing their rotation with big mistakes, you would still pass the content.
    The question is "Who are you comparing your performance with?". An example would be a lightweight champion claiming he can beat heavyweight beginner, do you understand the problem?
    If I were to go in extreme content with 7 beginners, I would outdps them but it wouldn't mean MCH is fine.

    That's why I pointed out P5S, it has a very lenient DPS check and doesn't need everyone to perform at their best.
    The farther you go, the more DPS is required and expect everyone to perform at a higher level.

    This way, you would understand that your teammates have a lot to do to reach the skill ceiling while a MCH has very little room to improve.
    If you smashed your head against P8SP1 as a MCH, then swapped to DNC and the DPS check is suddenly easier, you would understand the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    The farther you go, the more DPS is required and expect everyone to perform at a higher level.

    This way, you would understand that your teammates have a lot to do to reach the skill ceiling while a MCH has very little room to improve.
    If you smashed your head against P8SP1 as a MCH, then swapped to DNC and the DPS check is suddenly easier, you would understand the problem.
    Why would you assume I don't know how raiding works? I fully know that each floor gets progressively more difficult. If people are half-heartedly making attempts in your groups/pulls, then that is your experience. My group generally tries to fulfill their roles to the best of their abilities, but are fully aware and communicate with each other on certain aspects of jobs (i.e. Positionals vs having to use True North charges.)

    You're also assuming I've never played DNC. I'm more than aware that first week clear groups bring the meta in order to min/max, and the DNC raid wide and partner buffs are a great addition to any comp.
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