Warrior potency

[Vatom]

IDK if you kids forgot or not but people fought hard to get bloodbath aka BW back for WAR in ShB and Now your asking for DMG
Not saying you don't deserve more dmg but once you open this jar your going to lose something
A lot of DRK complain about TBN not breaking in ShB when EW dropped DRK was dying to everything and that's with oblation
I would say this is a Blizzard moment where you think you know but you don't but I'm not that arrogant I'm just stating a warning as to where this could lead
If you want a TANK that does DPS dmg play a dps cause SE doesn't believe in that
But like I said not here to rain on your parade just noting this saying
Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer - it never fails

[fulminating]

Can I not want heavensward warrior back?

[Mithron]

Can I not want heavensward warrior back?

Haha, there were several times in HW (as a PLD main) I said "We need WAR to be the worst tank of at least the entire expansion to make up for how OP they've been."

Well looking back now, I don't want to see that any more. I don't think HW WAR is what I want either, but I do miss stance dancing and wish it was more of an active unique mechanic for tanks.

[Aluja89]

IDK if you kids forgot or not but people fought hard to get bloodbath aka BW back for WAR in ShB and Now your asking for DMG
Not saying you don't deserve more dmg but once you open this jar your going to lose something
A lot of DRK complain about TBN not breaking in ShB when EW dropped DRK was dying to everything and that's with oblation
I would say this is a Blizzard moment where you think you know but you don't but I'm not that arrogant I'm just stating a warning as to where this could lead
If you want a TANK that does DPS dmg play a dps cause SE doesn't believe in that
But like I said not here to rain on your parade just noting this saying
Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer - it never fails

My guy... WHAT? Self sustain is a tank thing these are not mutually exclusive, where WAR shines in self heals DRK shines in mitigation, but Souleater is simply not enough it needs something a bit more for sustain.

Damage just needs to be balanced.

[Absimiliard]

Probably because you have a button that can quite literally heal yourself and a party member to full on a 25s cooldown

There is no sustain tax on tanks, otherwise GNB would get its damage kicked out from under it too. The current balance issues are simply that: balance issues.

[Oizen]

It's not like tbn and oblation don't exist and offer far more value.

Both skills combined give less value than a single use of Nascent Flash, I dont know what you're smoking there.
Using TBN/Oblation selflessly doesn't even give the DRK anything other than more oGCDs to weave.

Nacent Flash lets WAR heal itself AND its target. The most you can get from a team TBN is they break it for you and refund its cost, you know the cost that Nascent Flash doesnt even have.

I'd actually argue that Nascent Flash is one of the most busted, cracked skills in the game right now.

[Vatom]

My guy... WHAT? Self sustain is a tank thing these are not mutually exclusive, where WAR shines in self heals DRK shines in mitigation, but Souleater is simply not enough it needs something a bit more for sustain.

Damage just needs to be balanced.

I could say the same thing WHAT? I don't understand your point please elaborate.

[Sqwall]

P1S-P6S and currently working on P7S, entirely on my warrior.

P1S-P4S was kind of mild for mitigations for MT. Not anything out of the ordinary and nothing scary say maybe purgation in P1S as that sometimes would force a tank swap if Holmgang was gone and could get hairy. Other then that...MT was fairly mild for 1st tier savage.

P5S - P6S Now we have back to back tank busters and a dot/bleed after the hit. MT takes first hit, normally I just Thrill/vengeance, shirk...easy. But then I realized my co-tank was going to also get hit by a buster. Look down at BW/Nascent...and it's on cooldown...with 10 seconds left. Whoops. DRK uses TBN...it's INSTANTLY deleted...healers struggle to keep up on 2 dots. DRK dies....then I die since I have melee vuln debuff from buster...party wipes.

P7S does the same style of tank busters....this is a trend this tier. Tanks are going to take a beating.

Long story short....tanks have to time their mitigations MUCH better. After I stopped hitting Bloodwhetting for myself and using Nascent on my co-tank...the healers have seen a HUGE difference. Warrior is such a clutch tank when it comes to MT/OT gameplay. Nascent is SUCH a great skill. Much like PLD intervention, GNB Heart of Corundum, and DRK TBN.
Additionally: If you time your Nascent correctly you can have it cover the first buster hit on yourself...AND for the co-tank as it's timer still has 2 seconds left when their busters hit's them.

After I realized I don't have to be greedy and spend my short mitigation on myself but on my co-tank this tier...our healers no longer fear the tank buster/dot. 40k a tick is scary and now I'm getting oblation+TBN on top of thrill/vengeance+Nascent. I take maybe 17k a tick now down from 40k! Tanks have to play MUCH smarter this tier.

So for those that think WAR shines in self heals...your not wrong. But it CAN also heal other party members. So can PLD, so can GNB. DRK is just fortunate enough to get TBN on a short cooldown, but at a lose to it's damage. DRK can afford to miss a few flood/edge to help out as it's damage is already disgustingly out of control.

Maybe this tier is EXACTLY what I have been asking for....tanks getting hit hard...healers sweating...and DPS well....dpsing. I'm playing smarter...and using everything at our disposal. Hell our Astro healer is using SYNERGY to manage the tank busters! Nobody uses that skill...but it's incredibly strong this tier.

[Mithron]

P5S - P6S Now we have back to back tank busters and a dot/bleed after the hit. MT takes first hit, normally I just Thrill/vengeance, shirk...easy. But then I realized my co-tank was going to also get hit by a buster. Look down at BW/Nascent...and it's on cooldown...with 10 seconds left. Whoops. DRK uses TBN...it's INSTANTLY deleted...healers struggle to keep up on 2 dots. DRK dies....then I die since I have melee vuln debuff from buster...party wipes.

The problem here however is that before the changes, less than 10 total PLDs and WARs were able to clear P8s simply because their damage was too low. PLD also really struggles to heal others unlike WAR/GNB, and WAR/GNB/DRK all have better mitigation than PLD, especially on dots. DRK should never use only TBN on Toxic Crunch, it's definitely designed for tank CD + TBN + Oblation. I think Dark Mind might also work on the first TB that's not Crunch (I forget the name).

Yes WARs can heal others pretty dang well, but why? That's not their theme, that's not their identity. Their core identity should be and is tons of damage low utility high risk. They should do more damage and have less healing. I'd like to see the utility skills of DRK and WAR swapped right now and it would be much more thematic, then balance all tank DPS within 1-3% of each other, while giving PLD much more mitigation and utility, and nuking the 2 minute party burst theme to the game right now.

[Undeadfire]

DRK should never use only TBN on Toxic Crunch, it's definitely designed for tank CD + TBN + Oblation. I think Dark Mind might also work on the first TB that's not Crunch (I forget the name).

Correct and it's called Venomous Mass.

Depending on gear, timings can be pretty crappy with 2 min bursting so Shadow Wall+TBN is usually good enough. TBN can count as a Edge use.