Will Sin-eaters get the Voidsent treatment?

[KageTokage]

All the business involving the sin eaters in Eulmore did end up being a lot more...shallow then I was expecting.

You'd think they if they had some big scheme going on with the "ascended" simply being turned then processed into meol to keep the populace under Vauthry's sway, they would've had some secretive place where they were carrying it out. Though perhaps that subject matter was a bit too dark for them to want to delve into it further.

...like Ran'jit. They specifically mention in an MSQ quest that his body went missing, how was that NOT a hook for some future events?

I'm curious as to where that bit was mentioned.

When bodies go missing in XIV land, it tends to mean they either weren't actually dead, or Ascians are involved...though I'm not sure what one of the remaining Paragons would have to gain from using him as a puppet.

[Cleretic]

I'm curious as to where that bit was mentioned.

I remember it being from talking to an NPC shortly after the Eulmore solo instance, although checking Gamerescape's logs it doesn't seem to be there. Maybe it was incidental NPC dialog from around that time rather than actual MSQ dialog?

[Layte_Aeon]

I remember it being from talking to an NPC shortly after the Eulmore solo instance, although checking Gamerescape's logs it doesn't seem to be there. Maybe it was incidental NPC dialog from around that time rather than actual MSQ dialog?

It's around 6.1 as you're looking for Chai Nuzz. One of the guards mentions his body being gone. Of course we see him die, there was a body, so I'm not sure it has any real relevence.

[Iscah]

Given that we do seem to be building towards a multi-sidequest merging plot in the First (if the Void Quests draw in Eden and/or Zero as I am hoping), alongside possible stabilised travel between shards, it's quite possible a revived Ran'jit, Ascian-posessed or otherwise, could still have a role to play. It seems an odd detail to raise, otherwise.

...come to think of it, the world was still tilted to Light at that point, and we don't understand how the Cardinal Virtues came to be...

[Cleretic]

It's around 6.1 as you're looking for Chai Nuzz. One of the guards mentions his body being gone. Of course we see him die, there was a body, so I'm not sure it has any real relevence.

That makes sense! And... actually makes it even more suspect. Talking about Ran'jit's body right after his death would just be a matter of storytelling cleanup and addressing loose ends (and again, could've been a Eulmore expanded story thing that got cut), but specifically bringing it up after that's all done, when it's not really on anyone's mind? That definitely feels like putting the piece back on the board, so to speak.

[Puksi]

I'm a fiend for cut content, and while I always hazard not to assume things we didn't get were better than what we did (sometimes things got cut because they sucked, after all), we do know that some things around Eulmore were chopped and screwed; the assault on Eulmore was originally intended to be a dungeon rather than a solo instance, with some sort of sea monster sin eater as a boss with the other two being the still-there jongleurs and Ran'jit. Chances are it was just cut for space allocation considerations; Shadowbringers is pretty dense. But it probably explains why some parts of Eulmore feel unexplored despite hooks and potential.

...like Ran'jit. They specifically mention in an MSQ quest that his body went missing, how was that NOT a hook for some future events?

I will never not be salty that Ran'jit was reduced to a duty boss (and that the Jongleurs didn't do some Ascian-flavored Meltigemini fusion). As much as I'd love for him to make a reappearance, I'm leery it would only bring more unanswered questions. I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't take more First lore anyway, though.

Shadowbringers gave me the same lopsided feeling Stormblood did; one side of the story is very dense, a lot of small details, while the other side is basically just a plot device to keep the other side going. It felt very rushed and one-dimensional more often than not--the conflicting dialogues and shallow tropes didn't help, either.

The writers really seemed to be gunning for some kind of "gotcha" regarding the identity of the Lightwarden of Kholusia, so maybe they thought showing too much would give it away? But it was so obvious from the very beginning--G'raha's line about how he thought Vauthry was only bluffing about the ability to control sin eaters made me laugh. The fifteen-foot-tall man was in a room full of them and using one for a cushion, how much more proof was needed?

Given that we do seem to be building towards a multi-sidequest merging plot in the First (if the Void Quests draw in Eden and/or Zero as I am hoping), alongside possible stabilised travel between shards, it's quite possible a revived Ran'jit, Ascian-posessed or otherwise, could still have a role to play. It seems an odd detail to raise, otherwise.

...come to think of it, the world was still tilted to Light at that point, and we don't understand how the Cardinal Virtues came to be...

I would have thought there'd be nothing left to raise, tbh. iirc, everything else that was turned in the course of the game were still-living beings.

[Iscah]

The writers really seemed to be gunning for some kind of "gotcha" regarding the identity of the Lightwarden of Kholusia, so maybe they thought showing too much would give it away? But it was so obvious from the very beginning--G'raha's line about how he thought Vauthry was only bluffing about the ability to control sin eaters made me laugh. The fifteen-foot-tall man was in a room full of them and using one for a cushion, how much more proof was needed?

I think I had assumed it was the lion. Certainly it was only once Vauthry was fluttering off to Mt Gulg that my brain started properly assembling the puzzle pieces and linking up to that "Innocence" boss trial we'd previously seen announced.

I would have thought there'd be nothing left to raise, tbh. iirc, everything else that was turned in the course of the game were still-living beings.

The other Virtues were created from heroes exhumed nearly a century after their deaths. Ran'jit's current state shouldn't be a problem for something with that degree of potential.

[Puksi]

I think I had assumed it was the lion. Certainly it was only once Vauthry was fluttering off to Mt Gulg that my brain started properly assembling the puzzle pieces and linking up to that "Innocence" boss trial we'd previously seen announced.

Humes not reaching about fifteen feet tall normally, a completely disproportionate skeletal structure and odd foggy eyes set alarms off for me immediately that there was at least something about this character that would become everyone's problem eventually, lmao. I thought maybe the second face was some kind of rando ornament at first, since FF designs do some odd things with clothes sometimes.

Forgiven Cruelty looked like the Warden from Moren's storybook, but Vauthry still had the ability to be around them unscathed. The incredibly convenient and completely unexplained ability to render sin eaters docile--by the time they raised the question of what/where the Lightwarden of Kholusia could possibly be, I just thought to myself "are you serious".

The other Virtues were created from heroes exhumed nearly a century after their deaths. Ran'jit's current state shouldn't be a problem for something with that degree of potential.

Oh, I was talking about the raising of the Virtues, not Ran'jit, sorry about that. I don't see how the Warriors Of Darkness wouldn't be just bones by then, or at most in very, very rough shape.

[Lyth]

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If it makes you feel better, it's worth noting that Ran'jit is given his due as a raid boss, in E11S. The Fatebreaker is essentially a fusion of both Ran'jit and Thancred as Mitron attempts to draw out Ryne's greatest fears, and you'll see both of their signature attacks (as well as Ran'jit's dragon) make an appearance.

With regards to the other matter, if you're curious about what manner of time travel would allow someone to have such vivid memories of a thread years before their join date, this is the thread in question: thread

It's really just a question on whether you can identify whose feelings were hurt enough to hold a grudge over it all these years. Of course, if you're familiar with the sort of behavior that's unfortunately been prevalent on this subforum and ultimately drove out many of our old members, you'll know who to expect before you even look inside.

[Ascended_Demon]

I don't see how the Warriors Of Darkness wouldn't be just bones by then, or at most in very, very rough shape.

I assume it has something to do with the state of the First, perhaps the world being shifted to light/stasis slowed or prevented the natural decay of bodies. Or perhaps it's an echo/blessing thing. Who knows for sure? I know we all want to know every single detail here but sometimes the writers want us to fill in those holes not necessarily to do the work for them but to encourage us to use our critical thinking skills. I feel it helps us get more invested in the world and story.