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Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
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Iscah, read your quote. I said:

"Any exception to this is an unvoiced character with a minor role. We're not going to seek representation out of those."

Taking your character as an example, I assume she'd speak with a trill? Because U'odh Nunh speaks with one. Yet just because he exists, should he thus be taken as representation of normal Miqo'te behaviour? Miqo'te aren't defined by those speech patterns, and haven't been portrayed like that since. Meaning he's an exception, not a norm.

Representation doesn't work with background NPCs because they don't have any major relevance. As such they tend to be one-dimensional characters, token at best.

:T If people are asking for representation, it's in the main\secondary rosters (secondary: Lyna, Gosetsu, Julius...). NPCs tend to be flat characters. No one is going to seek representation out of those. Saying that "They're still characters." completely misses the point of those characters! We're talking about major characters, as those are the ones we're meant to connect with. Not the extras in the background. If you relate to those, good for you, but that's not the writer's intent. The main and secondary characters are.

Not to mention that, like Jettinson said, Eorzean Roegadyn are always portrayed as loud and boisterous, even as voiceless NPCs. The Roegadyn we find in the Ruby Sea seem to follow that trait, albeit slightly toned down. And Sharlayan Roes act like everyone else in Sharlayan. Which is less a stereotype of Roegadyn and similar body types, and more a stereotype of Sharlayan people in general, which Rammbroes follows.

So if you want to consider background NPCs, then by your standards, Lyna = Lilja Sjasaris in terms of relevance for Viera. People liked Rammbroes but aren't expected to connect with him, unlike Gosetsu.

Plus, I DID mention tertiary NPCs, or did you miss the bit on Hrothgar NPCs? Bc it's curious how you focus on Roes, but I mention Hrothgar NPCs and yet you skip that :T Especially when I point to one NPC that does fit the bill. They're one of 2 races I pointed as fitting, why aren't you mentioning more? Because here's the thing, as I sat here and realized this, I also remembered one Hrothgar NPC that also fits: Rostik. Yet Bajsaljen and Rostik are one-dimensional characters. Good if people enjoy and connect with them, but you're hard-pressed to say they're representation of Hrothgars in the MSQ. So again, why aren't you acknowleding this, despite defending NPCs?

Also, this was about the males? The whole point of bringing up Moenbryda was that EVEN SHE is brash and boisterous, like the Roe stereotype... XD I never once negated all her other traits. I even said the same about Gosetsu. That was the point. Go read my post.

"Their design lends well to the stereotype but there are also plenty of characters who break it."

1 - Design doesn't justify stereotype.
2 - Not "plenty", as they're outnumbered by those who don't.
3 - They break it in the background.
4 - Representation does a better job at breaking stereotypes.
5 - Representation isn't done with tertiary characters, that's just common sense and a bit of literary studies.

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