Tales from the Dawn #3: "A Question of Life" (Hermes)

[Iscah]

It impressed (/s) me that some people decide to live on modern etheirys, instead of Amaurot, when it's still plague by murder, rape, sex traffic, racism, etc. I don't think the sundered care that much about mental health too, considering they're more concerned with day to day survival.

I don't think people are factoring that in; they're just asking "am I going to fit better in the rough pirate city or the hippy forest city?"

By that logic, the sundered world also need to be under scrutiny because venat commit atrocities against the unsundered because she thought the sundered world is better.

I think the point of scrutinising Amaurot is asking whether it was really in such a superior state to the current sundered worlds, or if that was just a veneer and it's really not much better in practice.

There's also the factor that – whether or not it was the right choice to sunder them in the first place – the sundered worlds are what exist right now and have living people in them. So there's more weight in favour of letting them continue, rather than a purely philosophical "which type of world would be nicer to live in if we were creating it from scratch?"

[SentioftheHoukai]

I don't think people are factoring that in; they're just asking "am I going to fit better in the rough pirate city or the hippy forest city?"




I think the point of scrutinising Amaurot is asking whether it was really in such a superior state to the current sundered worlds, or if that was just a veneer and it's really not much better in practice.

There's also the factor that – whether or not it was the right choice to sunder them in the first place – the sundered worlds are what exist right now and have living people in them. So there's more weight in favour of letting them continue, rather than a purely philosophical "which type of world would be nicer to live in if we were creating it from scratch?"

This feels like an overly elaborate way of ignoring and side-stepping the actual moral dilemma here. Nobody ever said that the Sundered ought to die for the sake of what came before, but literally they wouldn't even exist if Venat hadn't committed an unspeakable atrocity that we the Warrior of Light are currently in story actively going out of our way to prevent anybody from learning of. Something that never should have been permitted to happen. Most of us would likely be satisfied if we got to do what G'raha did and engineer a separate timeline for them to live on, but the Venat gang would tell us that this too is wrong in its own way and the plot actively cut this possibility off by going against its own established principles and making the Ancients' Final Days a timeloop instead of an AU.

Think of it this way. Put yourself in the shoes of a nameless, unknowable Elpis researcher or normal, bog-standard but wide-eyed and outgoing citizen of Amaurot. Venat regales to you this awe-inspiring, heart-warming tale of a sparkling, charming new race of sentient, sapient beings that will soon come into existence called the Sundered. She speaks with enthusiasm, speaking of their charm and their exploits of which you can only dream. Then, she begins to speak of how they come to be. And the horror sets in, as this dangerous radical mentions unspeakable deeds that will result in you and everyone you know losing everything you ever loved for a people you know nothing concrete of and have no reason to throw your life, Hells your very way of life away on the dusts of time's withering to support. How is this not horrifying to some posters on here? How is the idea of condemning all that you know, every friend and family member you love and care for; for the sake a race of sentient, upright cockroaches like something straight out of Terraformars not something to be abhorred and condemned? I do not believe I shall ever properly comprehend some of the stances exhibited on this forum.

Tell me. If some time traveler came from the future and could verify and prove they did, and began speaking of a new race that looked like this:



But for them and all that they are, in all their wondrous glory to come into being.... all of humanity had to die. And then, said time traveler asked YOU to help this future come into being (for extra points, this nameless time traveler is revealed to be someone you know well; like a close friend or family member. .....Perhaps your mother?). Would you help them, or tell them to go straight to the Hells?

I mean, it is? both the characters and the narrative have been critical of the various societies of Ethyris since the beginning. One of the first conversations you have with Alphinaud is him talking about the various problems of the Eorzean city states.

The issue in this lies in that the scene of which you speak happens once upon a time, in a galaxy far, far away..... They've since lost their way and forgotten the nuance they once had, in their storytelling. Sometimes, I even look back fondly on ARR since Endwalker's narrative sins are just that egregious. I never once thought I'd look on ARR fondly, and yet here we are. I'd take Minfilia a thousand times over when compared to even one more second being reminded I was the toadie of such a omnicidal, hypocritical hack.