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[Zanarkand-Ronso]

He could just be a troll at the end of the day. Wasn't there a highlander guy known for making wild troll threads before?

Those were good...confusing times XD

Then there's characters like G'raha Tia who just have to tell us how much they care and want to be with us...when the more stoic and hardened men of the cast get so little attention compared to G'raha Tia's role as a "comfort character." It makes for an experience I can't recommend to other people who share my tastes.

One of the few times he says something sensible, and agreeable.
See, it DOES happen.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Suddenly making her clumsy, or goofy is going to come across way too ham-fisted, I'm not sure how they're going to gradually change her without making it seem like Lyse 2.0 "KRILE IS NOW IMPORTANT, YOU LIKE HER". We'll have to wait and see.

Ok if THAT crap happens, I will be annoyed. Not only would it be off-putting, it would just be a Complete change to her character for the sake of laughs. And I love cringe enduring things/characters, but not like that.
I feel like one of the few that still liked Lyse and didnt mind her. Her arc made sense, but I cant disagree that it could have been done better.

[Iscah]

I am concerned with how they're going to change her, because as people have noted, she WILL have to change to play a more leading role. Suddenly making her clumsy, or goofy is going to come across way too ham-fisted, I'm not sure how they're going to gradually change her without making it seem like Lyse 2.0 "KRILE IS NOW IMPORTANT, YOU LIKE HER". We'll have to wait and see.

Does she need to change to be a more active member of the party? She might get more story detail about her, but not everyone in the party needs to be incredibly interesting, either. She can get built up as a character but there's nothing wrong with her current state.

[Midareyukki]

I never did understand the whole "Good Faith/Bad Faith" Argument thing XD.

Dude, whenever something happens in these forums, it's usually because people can't let go the fact that they don't like someone. Half the criticisms pointed to Aveyond Dreams are really just a matter of going back and reading what he said.
Take the other guy who kept pointing out him doing gross generalizations. Yes, he shouldn't do that, but at the same time it's no secret in the past few months that there have been threads calling the plot of the game all sorts of stuff. So... yeah, some people do take issue with the plot, with varying intensity.
And instead of people calming down and just disagreeing with him, accepting that the guy likely isn't going to change his mind, people just jump in to say stuff that they themselves aren't aware of.
Half the time someone says one wrong thing, it wasn't to insult or do stuff out of disrespect, boom, everyone drops their manners. It's bizarre.

As for Krile's changes, as Boblawblah said,

I am concerned with how they're going to change her, because as people have noted, she WILL have to change to play a more leading role. Suddenly making her clumsy, or goofy is going to come across way too ham-fisted, I'm not sure how they're going to gradually change her without making it seem like Lyse 2.0 "KRILE IS NOW IMPORTANT, YOU LIKE HER". We'll have to wait and see.

this is what I mean by "remains to be seen". Because I'm aware of it, you're aware of it, Boblawblah is aware of it, other people are. And we hope Square is as well. But they're the ones who need to act on it, not us, we don't write the plot.

Does she need to change to be a more active member of the party? She might get more story detail about her, but not everyone in the party needs to be incredibly interesting, either. She can get built up as a character but there's nothing wrong with her current state.

Not "wrong", but more like "a lot of what happened to her got neglected for so long, we haven't gotten a chance to explore her, and after this long it feels like it's too little too late".

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Yeah, I understand. In fact, if anything, I'd say male characters aren't allowed to be masculine tough guys. When they are, they're like Thancred: confident, stoic and snarky, almost always serious and deadpan. We have a race characterised by being large and bulky, and another that's characterised by being chivalrous yet feral.

Yet they aren't doing anything with these. Roegadyn especially, as the only Roes got dead or monk'd, in contrast to all the others who are just outright villainous. Despite me saying that characters are meant to fill and then explore tropes so they don't feel bland, allow me to use a variant of the World of Hats trope: have these characters with their racial stereotypes. Allow a Roegadyn to be large and masculine, allow a female Roegadyn to be beautiful is she wants, allow a Hrothgar to be chivalrous (like Runar) and feral (like... eh... D-Dabog I guess???? More like "Like our emotes" :P). Make a character out of that, and rather than subvert it, show why those traits are actually endearing and good for the plot in general. Rather than just making them walking caricatures in the background and only giving relevance if they escape the mold.

[AwesomeJr44]

One of the few times he says something sensible, and agreeable.
See, it DOES happen.

It happens quite often, you just disagree with what he says most of the time, and for you, sensible = thing I agree with. I mean its one thing to dispute a fact but let's be real, that's not what happens most of the time.

Dude, whenever something happens in these forums, it's usually because people can't let go the fact that they don't like someone. Half the criticisms pointed to Aveyond Dreams are really just a matter of going back and reading what he said.

When people like Atelier come into your threads to derail them for no reason other than that they don't like you, you know you have some bad faith forum users on your hands.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

It happens quite often, you just disagree with what he says most of the time, and for you, sensible = thing I agree with.

Lets be fair...thats pretty much everybody XD
Some to different degrees then others.

Dude, whenever something happens in these forums, it's usually because people can't let go the fact that they don't like someone. Half the criticisms pointed to Aveyond Dreams are really just a matter of going back and reading what he said.
Take the other guy who kept pointing out him doing gross generalizations. Yes, he shouldn't do that, but at the same time it's no secret in the past few months that there have been threads calling the plot of the game all sorts of stuff. So... yeah, some people do take issue with the plot, with varying intensity.
And instead of people calming down and just disagreeing with him, accepting that the guy likely isn't going to change his mind, people just jump in to say stuff that they themselves aren't aware of.
Half the time someone says one wrong thing, it wasn't to insult or do stuff out of disrespect, boom, everyone drops their manners. It's bizarre.

Ive been guilty of this, I wont lie, but I never do it with any real Hatred towards anybody.
I troll and take jabs, but its in good fun (even if I might be the only one laughing) and I TRY to balance out by acknowledging faults and try to show I agree with something.
But IDK, its not possible to fully understand intent behind text, people could just be attacking his points, as I have. But sometimes could go a little overboard.

[Boblawblah]

Does she need to change to be a more active member of the party? She might get more story detail about her, but not everyone in the party needs to be incredibly interesting, either. She can get built up as a character but there's nothing wrong with her current state.

hmm, I'm not sure, and I don't dislike Krile as she is now, but if she's going to take a more central role, I assume she's going to have some sort of character arc. Right now she's wise, kind, and stoic. Those aren't bad traits, but they serve well as an advisor, not someone with a lot of growth to go through.

[Midareyukki]

When people like Atelier come into your threads to derail them for no reason other than that they don't like you, you know you have some bad faith forum users on your hands.

True, but can't you just ignore him? I mean, even I had to ask if he was a troll :|
Hell, I'm no saint. I DEFINITELY attacked a few people here before, and I just now comitted a gaffe real hard on another thread and dug my own hole further. Plenty of people have reason to not want to even see my user name. I can think of stormchurro for one.
But I don't hold those people to whatever grievances I have or they have with me. If the person is consistently being difficult, I just ignore them. If not, I chalk it up to having grievances that went wrong, and then just go "eh".
But that's just me. And I might be patient for a lot of things, some others just... again, I'm not saint myself.

Ive been guilty of this, I wont lie, but I never do it with any real Hatred towards anybody.
I troll and take jabs, but its in good fun (even if I might be the only one laughing) and I TRY to balance out by acknowledging faults and try to show I agree with something.
But IDK, its not possible to fully understand intent behind text, people could just be attacking his points, as I have. But sometimes could go a little overboard.

True. If anything, and this goes for aveyond himself as well, if you notice there's a pattern with what he or other people say, then really move on, because it's just going to stir some stuff that will end up grieve you. If those people, aveyond included, realize that they're not being forthcoming and fair, then great. If not then... well. As long as the conversations past that remain civil and we don't start lopping off heads verbally.

[Iscah]

Not "wrong", but more like "a lot of what happened to her got neglected for so long, we haven't gotten a chance to explore her, and after this long it feels like it's too little too late".

I don't think there's a huge amount to explore. From memory she said she had little awareness of being captured by the Garleans because they kept her sedated most of the time. And Eureka can't be touched on in any depth because it's optional and too impractical to make mandatory.

She can be a major player in new events without any need to explore the old ones.

The more significant things about her are that she has long-established relationships with the twins and Raha. She also has a sneaky side, as shown in Tales from the Shadows.

[aveyond-dreams]

I don't think there's a huge amount to explore. From memory she said she had little awareness of being captured by the Garleans because they kept her sedated most of the time. And Eureka can't be touched on in any depth because it's optional and too impractical to make mandatory.

She can be a major player in new events without any need to explore the old ones.

The more significant things about her are that she has long-established relationships with the twins and Raha. She also has a sneaky side, as shown in Tales from the Shadows.

So little to no chance of exploring any previous trauma she underwent during her capture, because she effectively didn't suffer much if at all,

Long-established relationships with the twins who have long outstayed their welcome and another character who contributed little to the MSQ in Endwalker besides his aforementioned behavior that makes people uncomfortable,

And her "sneaky side," whose antics run a little too close to the goofiness that Endwalker was criticized for.

This does not sound like a character that I see doing much else in the MSQ aside from providing another voice for lore explanations like Y'shtola, as others have mentioned, in an advisory role. There needs to be loss, emotion, drama, longer lasting and/or permanent sacrifices if they want to get this character to really click with the audience.