this game was good before the story turned into marvel multiverse

[WhiteWitch]

I was rolling my eyes when Y'shtola suggested that it was all part of Hydaelyn's grand plan as if she could possibly account for that. Apparently we're meant to believe that she could account for so many different things in order for her plan to work but it was too hard for her to have an open and honest conversation with the Convocation back in the Unsundered world...

Pretty bizarre when a setting outlines a specific act as a line in the sand with no justification only to mysteriously change course and excuse it just because it happens to benefit the protagonists.

same, and if she was really somebody that knew about specific people on all the sundered worlds, she could've easily defeated a sundered zodiark herself. i mean hell, there were warriors of light with her power on each world, why did it take only us in eorzea to make a difference?

[Theodric]

Would have preferred Zero stay in old form.

Yeah. I look at Illidan from World of Warcraft as an example of what I want from a 'part demon' character so even accounting for being made more humanoid I do wish they had given her some more obvious lingering demonic traits...

same, and if she was really somebody that knew about specific people on all the sundered worlds, she could've easily defeated a sundered zodiark herself. i mean hell, there were warriors of light with her power on each world, why did it take only us in eorzea to make a difference?

Well, the issue is she needed Zodiark alive for her plan to work. No Zodiark? No barrier to protect Etheirys. She took an incredibly contrived and needless complicated route to achieve victory using the Sundered and Unsundered alike as pawns - but all of it could have been avoided by simply sharing what she knew of Meteion back in the Unsundered world.

...and as Pandaemonium revealed alongside the Elpis quests, the Ancients could actively show memories to one another which just makes it look even more spiteful that she did not.

[SturmChurro]

The fact that we used hydaelyn/azem's crystal to purify zero in another world that she doesn't even want to save is wild to me. This is after y'shtola told us not to use the crystal way before we beat meteion because it had little power left.
I also don't know why we are reusing lore and bosses from old games just for fan service. Somebody I met totally spoiled this patch for me. They told me Golbez is from ff4 and that he had a pet dragon. Sure enough that’s how our patch story went. So people who played these games already have an inkling of what is going to happen. It seems to be an issue with all game companies nowadays to just sell remakes instead of new content. idk dawg, i'm out. i had great hopes from my start in shb but they have been crushed at this point

I've been spoiled as well, due to reading the forums regularly. I'm not complaining though, I don't typically mind spoilers. I'll get around to doing the story after EW, at some point. I've been saying I will for like 6 months (?) though.

I love how I can't truly comment in depth about either previous FF characters, or this "Marvel multiverse", because I haven't playing any other FF game, or watched a single Marvel Movie since maybe Iron Man (??). Also, I don't read comics or whatever, or play superhero games. Fun.

[TofuPenguin]

I thought it was good until the characters became so marketable that the stakes ended up being fake.

Looking at you Ultima Thule

Yeh. I thought that was pretty laughable too. I knew they were going to come back after they got killed off one after the other so quickly. *yawns*

[Ronduwil]

The fact that we used hydaelyn/azem's crystal to purify zero in another world that she doesn't even want to save is wild to me. This is after y'shtola told us not to use the crystal way before we beat meteion because it had little power left.

1. I didn't think we consciously used it. As far as I could tell, it seemed to leap to life and purify Zero on its own. I don't see why we wouldn't have wanted to do this, though. We were looking for a sentient voidsent to pump for information, and a purified entity is going to be more compliant and coherent than a corrupted one.
2. Crystals recharge. Just because your cell phone was running low on batteries today doesn't mean that it's going to still be low on batteries a year from now, especially when it's constantly plugged into the charger.

I also don't know why we are reusing lore and bosses from old games just for fan service.

I'm not sure what you're expecting after thirteen sequels. If you don't want reused lore and fan service, then I suggest that you play a game with either a "I" or a blank after its name as opposed to "XIV."

[WhiteWitch]

1. I didn't think we consciously used it. As far as I could tell, it seemed to leap to life and purify Zero on its own. I don't see why we wouldn't have wanted to do this, though. We were looking for a sentient voidsent to pump for information, and a purified entity is going to be more compliant and coherent than a corrupted one.
2. Crystals recharge. Just because your cell phone was running low on batteries today doesn't mean that it's going to still be low on batteries a year from now, especially when it's constantly plugged into the charger.

I'm not sure what you're expecting after thirteen sequels. If you don't want reused lore and fan service, then I suggest that you play a game with either a "I" or a blank after its name as opposed to "XIV."

It’s fine if they want to do it for side content like the warring triad trials. Why did we not have a new enemy in the void though? We got zero, Varshahn and his sister as new characters. The team seems to be very competent in making original content related to eorzea as seen in the Aglaia raid. Maybe it’s not that big of a deal, and that I’m just mad about being spoiled for 6.2.

[Tamaerl]

The fact that we used hydaelyn/azem's crystal to purify zero in another world that she doesn't even want to save is wild to me. This is after y'shtola told us not to use the crystal way before we beat meteion because it had little power left.

It was the Ascians that gave up on the Thirteenth, not Hydaelyn, because they got too carried away when bringing calamity upon that shard; we never really got her opinion on the state of the Thirteenth. All we know is that her champion in that world was beaten before they could mature in a proper hero; it's very likely that Hydaelyn wanted to save the Thirteenth, but never really got the chance to do so since she usually acts via her champion(s).

[dapperfaffer]

We didn't use the crystal from the hydaelyn trial after story. The crystal used itself. which sadly has the implication that Hydaelyn to some form was still concious within the crystal to act upon itself and the 'world' of the 13th. Which is odd that in the story something like that would take place since using the last of Hahadealin and the remnant aether would effectively kill off Hydaelyn as a whole, but we know that characters don't die unless the fans like them.

Its either a very big subverted expectations plot twist or just more nonsense to the story that won't be explained. I think the writers have a hard time bringing the WoL into action for the plot of the story in FFXIV without a guiding force like Hydaelyn where one, hydaelyn is the reason for the story to move in a certain direction and it is more accessable to get the WoL to do things because Hydaelyn said so; and two, its a way to control the power of the WoL in a manner that limits the amount of "power creep" that the WoL as a character can display, which is the explanation for the use of Dynamis against Metion and the keeping of the WoLs power without an active Hydaelyn to empower them.

The story of FF4 and the 6.2 patches are just a blending of themes. It allows the devs to use prior FF games for fan service, as well as breing a way to introduce the plot of 13th and move that story forward. Its easily understandable that some people wouldn't like that because its very limited and narrow in the scope of potential world and universe building, but it does help prevent things like incoherent stories that aren''t fully fleshed out like they have been in WoW for some time now. Its not perfect in FFXIV but it works to some degree and makes the 'story' experience more cohesive for the player when they just sit back and experience the story woithout to much thought.
Endwalker gets lots of praise because of players doing that when if you thought/think about the story, its very flawed.

As for the FF4 theme itself, I like it when things like that are brought into the game. The music is as it almost always is top tier remakes, and its nice fighting theme park bosses like that. I loved the Ivalice raids solely because of FF Tactics. And would love a Mystic Quest theme park raid tier as well.

[hagare]

We're not "quite" on the level of the multiverse yet.

We're still in star trek mode jumping around planets that were originally part of a whole planet.

God forbid that multidimensional-alternate-universe-four-thousand-level-theoretical-physics bullshit starts infesting this plotline too like a lot of other fantasy stories these days.

I can just barely keep up with what's going on with the MCU. It's too many characters, too many stories, and the worst part of it all I can't even figure out which story is canon. (Marvel's also not the first comic line that started the whole alternate universes plot devices to keep them going. So it's not an original idea) But again, it better not come here or it'll just stop making sense entirely.

did I ever ask what another "dimension" actually is? I've heard that term thrown around for YEARS and I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND what it is or means. God damn writers...

/endrant

that just seems like a you problem to be honest

[Theodric]

It was the Ascians that gave up on the Thirteenth, not Hydaelyn, because they got too carried away when bringing calamity upon that shard; we never really got her opinion on the state of the Thirteenth. All we know is that her champion in that world was beaten before they could mature in a proper hero; it's very likely that Hydaelyn wanted to save the Thirteenth, but never really got the chance to do so since she usually acts via her champion(s).

Hydaelyn is at least partially responsible for the state of the Thirteenth as, per Elpis, she was told exactly what the Ascians would do if allowed to go free - and as per the emergency story clarification Live Letter shortly after the Endwalker launch it was outlined that the only reason Emet-Selch escaped was due to Venat deliberately leaving a way for the Sundering to be evaded to keep the timeline 'consistent'.

Which means that she knowingly allowed the Ascians to carry out their plans and tormented both the Sundered and Unsundered alike. After all, given her deliberate attempt to wipe out the Ancients it was never reasonable for the Ancients to just shrug and go along with such a plan. Especially when it was sprung upon them out of nowhere. Equally, the Sundered aren't obligated to roll over and die for the sake of restoring the Ancients and can be expected to fight for their loved ones, too.