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  1. #1
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    Freeflare's Avatar
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    Selene Kerrid
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    Balmung
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    White Mage Lv 100

    Island Reflections

    So I'm about done, seem to have everything built, and while I won't say it's awful I don't understand the design goal. It's best description I've heard thus far was 'Animal Crossing as made by someone who doesn't understand Animal Crossing', and it fits. I'm sure some of you enjoy it - more power to you - And I don't mind a 'grind to get special cosmetics' gameplay loop. That's pretty standard for MMOs and can be fun (see: tribal quests, Ishgard Restoration, etc), but this one just feels worse for a few reasons.

    First, the island itself is pretty, but calling it 'your island paradise' is silly. No part of my version of paradise involves an industrial park. Also, the 'cabin' is a park pavilion that's got a bed randomly stuck in it. An open wall structure on a tropical island with a bed behind a small barrier next to 2 unblinking salesrobots is not anyone's definition of 'cozy'.

    Second, there's no real customization. If it's going to be 'my' island, I should be able to actually do something with it. Maybe I want to put up a few huts for visitors, or literally anything that's not robot powered factories. Getting to choose which section has factories or granaries doesn't make me feel attached to this thing.

    Third, the mammets just flat out suck. FFXIV has such amazing characters and writing, and some of the best parts of Endwalker were those huge group shots that reminded you of how much you cared about those characters. This island is populated with robots that for some reason want money. They are completely forgettable, and borderline lazy design.

    Fourth, why are all the items non-tradable? This would be a perfect time to have auctionable rewards - someone wants to just enjoy a pretty area and not play Eve OnIsland? They can buy the hairstyles from from someone else. Instead, you're trying to force player engagement with non-tradeable items, which is going to work briefly but the dropoff rate for feels like it's gonna be hard and fast. Also, yes I know some of the housing items can be traded, which brings the...

    Fifth point, why can't you place housing items? In fact, why isn't this just more housing? It's baffling to me that the commitment to not providing enough player housing to accommodate demand is so high they'd rather design an Animal Crossing ripoff instead of just adding housing. When this was announced my immediate thought was 'well I guess I never get a house, but at least I can customize this island up, that will be fun!' NOPE! The island was the perfect opportunity to give people that option, and it was completely ignored.

    A more genuine Animal Crossing experience would have been great. Build some cabins where characters you've met can visit, keep the animal pasture and farming, a selection of pretty buildings, placeable things like trees and flowers, a home design alternative, it could have been so much fun. As it is, I'm going to get the cosmetics and achievements I want from it and probably never go back.
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  2. #2
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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    Bismarck
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    Summoner Lv 90
    I wouldn't expect full-on placement of items as in housing, but all it needed was a few predefined slots where you could place your choice of self-crafted island furniture in your private house, using the memory that was instead spent on tracking your fortnight's schedule for your robot factory.
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  3. #3
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    Deveryn Ev'liarsh
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    Excalibur
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    It's supposed to be a single player browser-style game, not Animal Crossing. People came up with all these other game comparisons and missed the mark. It's not that involved.

    It's supposed to be removed from everything and not become something people farm endlessly for gil. That's the reason all the good items aren't tradeable. It's super easy content that everyone can do anyway.

    Housing: There are technical limits to what you can do in such a massive area. That's why it's as static as it is. It's not supposed to be housing. They said that from the start. It's a minigame space. Despite limitations, it's a nice looking one at that.
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  4. #4
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    Lufie Newleaf
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    Ragnarok
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Freeflare View Post
    ...calling it 'your island paradise' is silly. No part of my version of paradise involves an industrial park. Also, the 'cabin' is a park pavilion that's got a bed randomly stuck in it. An open wall structure on a tropical island with a bed behind a small barrier next to 2 unblinking salesrobots is not anyone's definition of 'cozy'.
    I've been calling it prison island. The active gameplay is hitting rocks and chopping wood, accomplished by.. clicking things. I would have preferred some kind of minigames with elements of fun. The clicking things endlessly drains on your soul a bit. The only other mechanic outside of that is just waiting for things to happen, meaning not playing.

    Yes the 'cozy cabin' is basically a shop, similar to what can be found all over the game. This zone doesn't seem much more personal than the rest of the game apart from being able to pick which animals are in the pen and a few basic style options.

    I want to try being a bit more positive again so... I like that the island exists at least. It's a worthwhile concept and they've put some work into it. I find the ramp up to unlocking things horrible and I'm not quite done yet, but it's starting to get a bit more interesting now that I have a few features going.

    Personalisation really is the key to making this type of content valuable. The editor needs to be powerful enough that you can express your creativity, like housing, and make a unique area that friends have a reason to visit either to relax or get ideas for their own islands.
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  5. #5
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    Lala Felon
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    Zurvan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufalus View Post
    ....I would have preferred some kind of minigames....
    I have to admit, first time I read this my head saw the word "migraine" instead of "minigames"

    Anyway, carry on.
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    やはり、お前は……笑顔が……イイ

  6. #6
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shibi View Post
    I have to admit, first time I read this my head saw the word "migraine" instead of "minigames"

    Anyway, carry on.
    hehe MMO could mean massive migraines online
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    Sage Cologne
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    Ravana
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    Culinarian Lv 100
    Didn't they say this is just the beginning and feedback will be used in the next upgrades?
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    Angrypillow Duvall
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    Marilith
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Have to agree 100%. I can't even listen to the orchestrion outside the cabin area. So I started on the journey towards getting the stuff I wanted from the vendor so I could forget it exists. My first goal was getting everything built and rank 10, now it's maintenance mode while I save up the currency I need. I deal with the animals, I deal with the crops, talk to the two npc's by the cabin. Whole process takes about 5 minutes. So engaging.

    If the next island update comes out 6 months from now and ends up being nothing more than more nodes to farm and a new building that does exactly the same thing as the ones we already have, I won't even bother. I'm genuinely glad that some people seem to be enjoying it, but to me it feels more like a f2p mobile game than something you'd expect in FFXIV.
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  9. #9
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    Kieran Asher
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    Kujata
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    Reaper Lv 90
    The experience is close to the newer Story of season games. Set plot of land where you build facilities, set plot where you can farm, and set plot where you put your animals. I enjoy the mode and my only complaint is that it's a bit too shallow. I wish they had a deeper farming system than what we got... honestly, I wish they add more things to do in the island itself, Mini games its own cooking and fishing etc. There's a lot of potential things to add, hope that the team can do more and not just new buildings and nodes to gather in the next update.
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  10. #10
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    Krotoan Argaviel
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    Sargatanas
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    DEVs: "Don't expect Animal Crossing".

    Players: "Why isn't this Animal Crossing?"



    It's like a skit. I swear.
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