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  1. #21
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    • Dissipation needs a major rework, it actively conflicts with every other capstone not to mention the entire job identity. It also only works on a grand total of 3 healing spells. SCH's kit is mostly abilities.
    • Aetherflow needs to be completely detached from healing vs damage. IMHO the Aetherflow should just be for the healing and Energy drain should be on a 2 charge / 30s recharge system and be an AoE with a Drop off (mirror to SGE Phlegma)
    • Adlo needs it's cast time reduced. Playing sage is like night and day with their instant shields.

    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    SCH is both the better barrier healer and the best healer of the 4 right now by a pretty wide margin
    Solely due to the busted Critlo Deployment. Take that away and SCH is just Sage with having to hit extra buttons for the same abilities.
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 09-05-2022 at 10:28 PM.

  2. #22
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    Gemina's Avatar
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Siren
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianFatale View Post
    Barrier healing is rough as it is. As a Sage main, I want you to know that we NEED Scholar to be better. It is in rough shape, and whenever I get scholars, it seems that my runs always end up extra hard. I rarely see the job enough as it is. Please do better. ;-;
    Why is it so rough? Delayed fairy skills? x2 oGCD activation for x1 Consolation? Loses access to skills? Heavily reliant on the GCD? Very niche and passive job gauge? MP restoration shares the resource with HP restoration and instant mitigation skills?

    Never mind all that though. Because it is really interesting that SCH is actually extremely capable in combat despite ALL of those drawbacks. Makes you wonder how good it could be if it didn't have those inconveniences, but I digress.

    Never mind that too. The burning question I have for you is before coming here and creating this complaint thread, have you put yourself in a SCH's shoes to ascertain what they go through during an encounter?
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  3. #23
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    • Dissipation needs a major rework, it actively conflicts with every other capstone not to mention the entire job identity. It also only works on a grand total of 3 healing spells. SCH's kit is mostly abilities.
    • Aetherflow needs to be completely detached from healing vs damage. IMHO the Aetherflow should just be for the healing and Energy drain should be on a 2 charge / 30s recharge system and be an AoE with a Drop off (mirror to SGE Phlegma)
    • Adlo needs it's cast time reduced. Playing sage is like night and day with their instant shields.



    Solely due to the busted Critlo Deployment. Take that away and SCH is just Sage with having to hit extra buttons for the same abilities.
    -Dissipation buffs spreadlo at the risk of not having the fairy, it is a good skill for that reason alone but also forces you to organise when you want each ability and when you don’t want to be using it, something modern healing pretty much otherwise lacks
    -aetherflow being both healing and damage is good design because it forces you to prioritise your no aetherflow healing and gives a good sense of flow as you move from prog to reclears, the other healers should imitate aetherflow, not the other way around
    -shields already deploy extremely fast and adlo is only 1.5 seconds longer than e diag with the exchange of SCH having more skills to buff them


    SCH also has more mitigation not based on critlo, totem healing and higher damage in the form of a raid buff and is the most complex healer at 100 parse optimisation, it’s far more than just SGE with spreadlo
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    Last edited by Supersnow845; 09-05-2022 at 11:01 PM.

  4. #24
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    Cach's Avatar
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    Cach Mandrake
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    Hyperion
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    Scholar Lv 100
    SCH is very strong and also very popular. Thinking of switching to AST just to be a rebel ;p
    I do get annoyed when I often get double SCH, but that's just me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    [*]Aetherflow needs to be completely detached from healing vs damage. IMHO the Aetherflow should just be for the healing and Energy drain should be on a 2 charge / 30s recharge system and be an AoE with a Drop off (mirror to SGE Phlegma)
    A good suggestion IMO (except perhaps for the AoE part)
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  5. #25
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    Yxiah Eruyt
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    Balmung
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by BRVV View Post
    I think the problem with many bad SCH players is the weird skill learning curve. You don't need a lot of the skills you get from about lv 52 onwards until 80+ content. This makes players not learn when to use those skills. Deployment Tactics, Emergency Tactics, Dissipation and Recitation are skills that are probably never used by a substantial amount of players. Especially Dissipation. Yeah it's not that good but it's not entirely useless. Of course the usage of Aetherflow when they still have stacks is bad as is "waiting" for lower MP so that the Aetherflow's MP heal isn't "wasted". If it makes you wait for an important heal, well... no use having a lot of MP during a wipe. Some players seem to never use Excogitation, Sacred Soil and/or Chain Stratagem. That is of course also really bad. I don't know how often Protraction and Expedient are used. The worst are of course the GCD heal spammers which SCH seems to have more because skills like Dissipation and Emergency Tactics are often seen as "useless" by unexperienced players.

    TL;DR: A bunch of SCH only use half their kit
    Then it would be best if we had access to all of our skills all the time instead of being gated by being synched.
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  6. #26
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    Viz Vale
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    Spriggan
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Lunalepsy View Post
    Then it would be best if we had access to all of our skills all the time instead of being gated by being synched.
    Or the content could make better use of these skills. Getting a skill at 52 and not needing it until a 86 dungeons is kinda bad
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    Will put you on ignore if you can't form a logical argument but argue nonetheless

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  8. #27
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    Restonance's Avatar
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    Odderan Gedesud
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    Lamia
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    Dragoon Lv 94
    Isn't SCH already the strongest healer?
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  9. #28
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    Uularotto Urotto
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    Zalera
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    I'm still leveling my scholar atm; I'm currently at lvl 63. So far I love the way scholar plays, but the one thing I wish could be improved is that Adloquium and Succor be made instant cast skills; if the sage's barriers are instant cast I see no reason why scholar's barriers shouldn't be.
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  10. #29
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    Imora Dal'syn
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Succor is better than eukrasian prognosis and with ET becomes a 550 potency pure heal you can force to crit with recitation

    Succor destroys eukrasian diagnosis in all but high movement situations
    It's also a mana hog and takes multiple buttons to make not suck. The absorb is lackluster. It shouldn't need cds to not suck.
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Imora View Post
    It's also a mana hog and takes multiple buttons to make not suck. The absorb is lackluster. It shouldn't need cds to not suck.
    Succor isnt meant to be the first line of defense. Sch has so many tools before having to resort to gcd heals.
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