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  1. #11
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    Wolwosh's Avatar
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    Ulorin Ardor
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    only thing that makes barrier healing a bit rough is the cast times on adlo and succor imo.
    If you heal through content like that its going to be rough indeed..
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  2. #12
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    Imora Dal'syn
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    Dancer Lv 90
    I just want succor to well, not suck.
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  3. #13
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    SCH is both the better barrier healer and the best healer of the 4 right now by a pretty wide margin

    What more do you want out of 1 healer? Barrier healers are already the stronger healing spec and SCH is stronger than SGE
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  4. #14
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imora View Post
    I just want succor to well, not suck.
    Succor is better than eukrasian prognosis and with ET becomes a 550 potency pure heal you can force to crit with recitation

    Succor destroys eukrasian diagnosis in all but high movement situations
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  5. #15
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    Rilifane's Avatar
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    Esther Harper
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    Scholar Lv 90
    SGE/ SCH is a godtier comp for surviving all damage an encounter can possibly throw at you while also topping in combined healer dps on almost all fights.
    Even one of them brings almost as much mitigation/ shields as 4 dps and 2 tanks combined while both also have strong and readily available regens and burst heal.

    If healing with a SCH feels rough, that is 100% a player problem and not just of the SCH player. SGE can throw Addersgall heals left and right, has autoshields and Pneuma. The co heal doesn't have to do much to take care of what few gaps a SGE may have if the SGE utilizes the whole toolkit. And the SCH can offer great healing/ mitigation without even dipping into Aetherflow heals while having plenty of wiggle room for mistakes with Aetherflow heals.
    But if the SGE/ SCH just spam EProgs and Succors, then yes, you will have problems. But that is the player's fault, not the class'.

    Like the SGE I had yesterday in an Ex 4 "farm party" that used 0 Pneuma, 0-1 Panhaima, 2-3 Holos and a handful of Keras in a 11min fight but spammed EProg for everything, fished for Toxikon with EDiag, had 50% and below uptime and then wasn't able to push buttons to heal tumults because a "death caused chaos" when one dps (me, from a dumb mistake) died 10s before tumults while everything else was fine.
    Or the SCH that constantly spammed Succor and used AF at 2-3 stacks remaining and then complained about not having MP because they had to heal so much.
    Player problem.

    SCH is fine. SGE/ SCH is godtier.
    If you want help utilizing your toolkit better so you are not as reliant on your co heal nailing it, that's easy enough to provide but buffing SCH is neither necessary nor would it help. Because no matter how low you set the bar, someone will dance limbo with it.
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  6. #16
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    I don’t know what else you want to buff in SCH when they’re the only healer that gets better and better performance wise since EW launch; they’re literally the strongest of 4 healers as of now.

    Sounds like it’s 99.99% player skill issue coming from those SCH you were paired with it. Making them ‘stronger’ won’t solve that. And personally, I don’t like the idea of making jobs stronger in order to foolproof poorly performing players, especially when the job is already viable everywhere. That, more often than not leads to further watering down in the name of accessibility. Something that most of us are already aware how glaringly terrible that is once implemented, especially to players who genuinely love and invested most time to said jobs.
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    Last edited by Rein_eon_Osborne; 09-05-2022 at 08:51 PM.

  7. #17
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    I don’t know what else you want to buff in SCH when they’re the only healer that gets better and better performance wise since EW launch; they’re literally the strongest of 4 healers as of now.
    About the only thing I’d change in SCH (beyond you know reverting it to 3.x) would be make the skills that have different names with seraph summoned actually have different effects, like seraphic illumination could have higher mitigation, seraphic whisper could be a pulsing shield, seraphic blessing could be added with a holos like effect

    Really zero in on “oh shit has absolutely hit the fan or it’s a high damage phase I should summon seraph”
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  8. #18
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    I don’t know what else you want to buff in SCH when they’re the only healer that gets better and better performance wise since EW launch; they’re literally the strongest of 4 healers as of now.

    Sounds like it’s 99.99% player skill issue coming from those SCH you were paired with it. Making them ‘stronger’ won’t solve that. And personally, I don’t like the idea of making jobs stronger in order to foolproof poorly performing players, especially when the job is already viable everywhere. That, more often than not leads to further watering down in the name of accessibility. Something that most of us are already aware how glaringly terrible that is once implemented, especially to players who genuinely love and invested most time to said jobs.
    Very likely paired with a scholar who just let tons of aetherflow stacks go to waste. Probably didnt use a single sacred soil or excog in lvl 90 content. Probably used almost no faerie/seraph abilities or expedient.
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  9. #19
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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Zalera
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Buff sch into what exactly?

    I have to agree with most here, sounds like more of a player issue than a job issue. never had any problems healing as or with one. can some runs be rougher than others? sure, depends on the number of people that dont know their jobs. how are you expecting SE to buff them out of that?
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  10. #20
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    Viz Vale
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    Sage Lv 90
    I think the problem with many bad SCH players is the weird skill learning curve. You don't need a lot of the skills you get from about lv 52 onwards until 80+ content. This makes players not learn when to use those skills. Deployment Tactics, Emergency Tactics, Dissipation and Recitation are skills that are probably never used by a substantial amount of players. Especially Dissipation. Yeah it's not that good but it's not entirely useless. Of course the usage of Aetherflow when they still have stacks is bad as is "waiting" for lower MP so that the Aetherflow's MP heal isn't "wasted". If it makes you wait for an important heal, well... no use having a lot of MP during a wipe. Some players seem to never use Excogitation, Sacred Soil and/or Chain Stratagem. That is of course also really bad. I don't know how often Protraction and Expedient are used. The worst are of course the GCD heal spammers which SCH seems to have more because skills like Dissipation and Emergency Tactics are often seen as "useless" by unexperienced players.

    TL;DR: A bunch of SCH only use half their kit
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    Will put you on ignore if you can't form a logical argument but argue nonetheless

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