ARR Trusts are boring

[Hasrat]

I have my gripes with ARR Duty Support, one of which is a desire to swap the ineffectual THM for the LNC, but I will say it made for a significantly smoother leveling experience for a DPS (less so as a tank, miserable as a healer). I'm just disappointed that they didn't touch the 2.x patch trials. That alt will have to remain sidelined until they do.

While I haven't played around with tank or healer to see the LNC, I'd expect both Duty Support DPS to be equally ineffectual. As long as their damage scales around your own, and as long as you're actually putting some effort into your rotation, they all just end up doing a bunch of 1's.

And if we are to take their "planned for future patches/expansions" indicators in the Duty Support menu, it'd seem as if they currently have no plans to hit the 8-man content at all. The only ones that got the support were redesigned for 4, which is maybe not entirely desirable for every single MSQ trial...

[GeminiReed]

While I haven't played around with tank or healer to see the LNC, I'd expect both Duty Support DPS to be equally ineffectual. As long as their damage scales around your own, and as long as you're actually putting some effort into your rotation, they all just end up doing a bunch of 1's.

I don't have any solid data on how either of them did but it certainly felt like the LNC did a much better job than the THM. Probably because at those levels LNC really only has a single target rotation and since that's all the Trust does (*eyerolls*) it outshines the THM by a noticeable margin.

And if we are to take their "planned for future patches/expansions" indicators in the Duty Support menu, it'd seem as if they currently have no plans to hit the 8-man content at all. The only ones that got the support were redesigned for 4, which is maybe not entirely desirable for every single MSQ trial...

Yoshi-P told us the motivation behind Duty Support and that's to capture the not insignificant FF solo-only market. Then there's the level 89 EW trial which can done with a Trust. In light of both "No plans" seems to be a bit of a stretch or perhaps projection. I'd accept "ran out of time" because there's a lot of trials in 7th Astral or even "We have no clue what to do with CT". Regardless, they'll have a wealth of metrics on the type of player (Trust exclusive vs. willing to party), if they got past the trials, and if so, how they did it (solo-unsync, party-unsync, sync'd PF, sync'd DF).

If I was a solo-only player I'd feel pretty burned right now by the decision to skip the trial conversions. At best I'd wait until all the mandatory instances were converted. At worst I'd shake the dust off my feet and add Yoshi-P to the "avoid this dev's work" list. (And before anybody gets their knickers in a twist, that's an extreme, most people would fall somewhere between the two)

[Ssmiley_Bjakkzz]

Helluuuuuuu

[Jirah]

The new ARR mechs were a nice touch and it was a great idea to show new players what tank/stack markers are (once they learn from being hit/mistakes) but like you said the damage is pathetic. It didnt take us tank vets long to realise that you can almost always ignore the mechs , and keep your uptime going due to the damage being so weak . In early ARR in Copperbell the two ogre bosses mechs can be stood in and the tank barley takes any damage . It keeps your uptime going but its going to possibly teach new players that dodging mechs isnt needed, where that definitely changes in later expacks .

The new revamped castrum for example , the mechanical boss (2nd) its run from the aoe ( the one that lands in a spot and pulses) can be utterly ignored , and ive just stood there and tanked it with ease and you can see eventually dps catch on that its no big deal and gives a healer something to do as they will take slightly more damage than the tank does , as the rest of the encounter barley needed healing if you do mechs and sacrifice dps due to being out of range ( melee) . The only TB that "hurts" is Nero's in the prea revamp and aoes to dodge is Livia's in castrum if you get clocked by 2 or more in successions as a non tank and maybe the X slashes that Gaius's clones do if you get hit by one as a magic user with lower defences.

Ive had to tell myself not to do it because I dont want to be part of the player base that teaches bad etiquette and do the mechs even though they hit like a soggy tissue.

Bad etiquette? What are they primed for? Having the same underwhelming damage outputs in 80s and 90s expert? I’d say it goes beyond bad etiquette and goes into a complete misunderstanding of damage output and job requirements. As a healer I say keep me in business! Don’t do stack markers, go into a AOE for fun

[Nav_Fae]

Di they run dungeons better thsn Squadrons?

[vetch]

not to sound dramatic but trusts killed the msq dungoens, they needlessly nerfed alot of the instances and ever since SHB dungeon design went abit south from how much physical players can handle, toward how much their NPC can handle. I am not looking forward to the nerfs comming to; Great gubal library, Aether facility, Xephetal, Sohm Kai, Balsar's Wall, Doma castle, The Burn and so on

How many mechs are they gonna remove and then tak on another underwhelming stack marker that tickles you double digit damage

Oh my god I wasn't even thinking about Gubal Library, almost every single boss mechanic in that place is incompatible with the terrible Trust AI.

Must remember to enjoy that place while I can.

[vetch]

If I was a solo-only player I'd feel pretty burned right now by the decision to skip the trial conversions. At best I'd wait until all the mandatory instances were converted. At worst I'd shake the dust off my feet and add Yoshi-P to the "avoid this dev's work" list. (And before anybody gets their knickers in a twist, that's an extreme, most people would fall somewhere between the two)

If I were a daily-roulettes player I'd feel pretty burned by the decision to delete and same-ify all the interesting mechs in the MSQ content (which is a majority of what I get in daily roulettes) to make it compatible with badly-programmed NPC AI.

And as it turns out, I am a daily-roulettes player, and I do feel burned.

[Hayden]

Eh, I love it and wish trusts had been around in ARR back when I was new.

1) I can play at my own pace. No more do I have to ZERG through every dungeon, frantically worrying if my DPS output meets the high standards of that one player scrutinizing my every missed positional. I can stop and appreciate teh dungeon design, I can read story notes, interact with nodes. I can take my time reading dialogue and enjoy cut scenes without the anxiety of worrying about what everyone else thinks.

2) I can learn a new or unfamiliar Job without that one angry asshole who can't stand someone else NOT playing at their level. I can learn mechanics by following NPC's and learn the basics of a dungeon before trying it with friends.

3) I enjoy the random Trust NPC dialogue and story bits you learn. Like Estinien and Yasale bickering back and forth about the ethics of killing dragons. Just love it.


4) I can AFK without feeling like I'm pissing 3 other people off.

5) And this one is huge. If I'm gonna run a dungeon with 3 AI like characters who refuse to talk, interact with me or in any way act social or friendly, why not perfect AI that ALMOST always gets the mechanics right? (and doesn't run like a bat out of hell out of the dungeon faster than I can close my cut scene?)

Bonus) I can see funny shit like watching Asilae yeet herself into an AOE, or follow Estinien only for him to dragoon LEAP himself to safty, leaving me to die.

[SillyCrow]

About the only thing I dislike about Trusts overall is that they are encouraged over playing with other people. You know, the reason for playing a MMO in the first place.

It's not subtle, the option to play with trusts is highlighted with an icon and is the first option in the list.

[LaylaTsarra]

i like them but I haven't really done any AAR trusts yet. I use them mostly for MSQ clears.