ARR Trusts are boring

[GeminiReed]

I have my gripes with ARR Duty Support, one of which is a desire to swap the ineffectual THM for the LNC, but I will say it made for a significantly smoother leveling experience for a DPS (less so as a tank, miserable as a healer). I'm just disappointed that they didn't touch the 2.x patch trials. That alt will have to remain sidelined until they do.

[Hasrat]

I have my gripes with ARR Duty Support, one of which is a desire to swap the ineffectual THM for the LNC, but I will say it made for a significantly smoother leveling experience for a DPS (less so as a tank, miserable as a healer). I'm just disappointed that they didn't touch the 2.x patch trials. That alt will have to remain sidelined until they do.

While I haven't played around with tank or healer to see the LNC, I'd expect both Duty Support DPS to be equally ineffectual. As long as their damage scales around your own, and as long as you're actually putting some effort into your rotation, they all just end up doing a bunch of 1's.

And if we are to take their "planned for future patches/expansions" indicators in the Duty Support menu, it'd seem as if they currently have no plans to hit the 8-man content at all. The only ones that got the support were redesigned for 4, which is maybe not entirely desirable for every single MSQ trial...

[GeminiReed]

While I haven't played around with tank or healer to see the LNC, I'd expect both Duty Support DPS to be equally ineffectual. As long as their damage scales around your own, and as long as you're actually putting some effort into your rotation, they all just end up doing a bunch of 1's.

I don't have any solid data on how either of them did but it certainly felt like the LNC did a much better job than the THM. Probably because at those levels LNC really only has a single target rotation and since that's all the Trust does (*eyerolls*) it outshines the THM by a noticeable margin.

And if we are to take their "planned for future patches/expansions" indicators in the Duty Support menu, it'd seem as if they currently have no plans to hit the 8-man content at all. The only ones that got the support were redesigned for 4, which is maybe not entirely desirable for every single MSQ trial...

Yoshi-P told us the motivation behind Duty Support and that's to capture the not insignificant FF solo-only market. Then there's the level 89 EW trial which can done with a Trust. In light of both "No plans" seems to be a bit of a stretch or perhaps projection. I'd accept "ran out of time" because there's a lot of trials in 7th Astral or even "We have no clue what to do with CT". Regardless, they'll have a wealth of metrics on the type of player (Trust exclusive vs. willing to party), if they got past the trials, and if so, how they did it (solo-unsync, party-unsync, sync'd PF, sync'd DF).

If I was a solo-only player I'd feel pretty burned right now by the decision to skip the trial conversions. At best I'd wait until all the mandatory instances were converted. At worst I'd shake the dust off my feet and add Yoshi-P to the "avoid this dev's work" list. (And before anybody gets their knickers in a twist, that's an extreme, most people would fall somewhere between the two)

[vetch]

If I was a solo-only player I'd feel pretty burned right now by the decision to skip the trial conversions. At best I'd wait until all the mandatory instances were converted. At worst I'd shake the dust off my feet and add Yoshi-P to the "avoid this dev's work" list. (And before anybody gets their knickers in a twist, that's an extreme, most people would fall somewhere between the two)

If I were a daily-roulettes player I'd feel pretty burned by the decision to delete and same-ify all the interesting mechs in the MSQ content (which is a majority of what I get in daily roulettes) to make it compatible with badly-programmed NPC AI.

And as it turns out, I am a daily-roulettes player, and I do feel burned.

[Hayden]

Eh, I love it and wish trusts had been around in ARR back when I was new.

1) I can play at my own pace. No more do I have to ZERG through every dungeon, frantically worrying if my DPS output meets the high standards of that one player scrutinizing my every missed positional. I can stop and appreciate teh dungeon design, I can read story notes, interact with nodes. I can take my time reading dialogue and enjoy cut scenes without the anxiety of worrying about what everyone else thinks.

2) I can learn a new or unfamiliar Job without that one angry asshole who can't stand someone else NOT playing at their level. I can learn mechanics by following NPC's and learn the basics of a dungeon before trying it with friends.

3) I enjoy the random Trust NPC dialogue and story bits you learn. Like Estinien and Yasale bickering back and forth about the ethics of killing dragons. Just love it.


4) I can AFK without feeling like I'm pissing 3 other people off.

5) And this one is huge. If I'm gonna run a dungeon with 3 AI like characters who refuse to talk, interact with me or in any way act social or friendly, why not perfect AI that ALMOST always gets the mechanics right? (and doesn't run like a bat out of hell out of the dungeon faster than I can close my cut scene?)

Bonus) I can see funny shit like watching Asilae yeet herself into an AOE, or follow Estinien only for him to dragoon LEAP himself to safty, leaving me to die.

[Raoabolic]

Now if only we had a squad of people we can choose from. Perhaps this Squad could come to the WoL for various reasons. Oh, and when this Squadron or "Squad" of NPCs join you the WoL would have to teach them the basics of adventuring by doing dungeons with them! Perhaps when this Squadron trusts the WoL a bit you can actually glamour them! ...Nah, that wouldn't work. :^)

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Now if only we had a squad of people we can choose from. Perhaps this Squad could come to the WoL for various reasons. Oh, and when this Squadron or "Squad" of NPCs join you the WoL would have to teach them the basics of adventuring by doing dungeons with them! Perhaps when this Squadron trusts the WoL a bit you can actually glamour them! ...Nah, that wouldn't work. :^)

You know, you're speaking alot of sense here my man.
I wish we had something like this in the game, perhaps we could take something forgotten and repurpose it.

[Iscah]

I have my gripes with ARR Duty Support, one of which is a desire to swap the ineffectual THM for the LNC

When is the lancer ever used? I started a thaumaturge alt recently and was doing dungeons with the trusts, and I still get paired with the NPC thaumaturge. Why does the lancer exist if not to allow for the tank/healer/melee/mage arrangement in all parties?


(Edit: I realised, of course she'd be used when you're playing a non-DPS role and need two DPS trusts. Still annoying that they don't/can't avoid sending the thaumaturge alongside another mage.)

[Silverbane]

One person's boring is another person's Seinfeld.

[Moonlite]

I am shocked we haven't seen any trusts in the cash shop yet. They already have lightning, shantoto, and the guy from 15 in the game.