Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

[Rilifane]

Fell Court of Troia earlier - decent enough team, aside from the Red Mage. Didn't pull their weight, damage was medicore and the team wiped twice at Scarmiglione, partly due to the Red Mage's poor reaction to the mechanics. Red Mage apologised, saying that they were sadly aware that they were a burden to the team, and offerred to leave the instance in the hope that a competent player might replace them. Aside from one of the team replying "don't worry about it" there were no objections, so the Red Mage left.


And the Red Mage in question was me.

If I have learned one thing in DF, and also PF, it's that it's never just one person's fault and that if you hope for objections when you apologize and offer to leave you will get none.
The majority of people have absolutely no idea what's going on around them and even if something was their fault, they'll just reply with a generic "happens/ no worries/ it's okay" if someone else apologizes. I did it so many times when I was either unsure whether it was really my fault alone or when it was partly my fault but someone else's mistake played a role and I got pretty much always a generic form of "I forgive you" without them chiming in about their own mistake.

And as for the last boss in Troia: there is not a single mechanic where one player can wipe the party. None.
You get puddles and even if two people stack, they get both 2 stacks and zombie status is at 3. So unless the other person already ate something (=their mistake), they can't get zombie'd by you.
You will always have at least one wall to get knocked against unless everyone nuked a wall which would require the tank to deliberale ignore melee range and stand far outside.
The stack during add phase can easily be taken by 3 people, 2 if you push it and have some mitigation on the squishy.
For spread markers even squishies can survive two hits at once so unless you had 3 people (= someone else's mistake too) stacking with spread markers, it can't wipe you either.

Everything else can simply be healed through or worst case, one person dies and gets rezzed and you continue.
So no, it's simply impossible that you alone wiped the party twice.
You may have made mistakes but someone else also had to made mistake and/ or the healer and/ or tank reacted poorly to what was happening too. Because the dot from getting knocked into the wall can be healed, spread markers stacking can be healed, stack with less than 4 can be healed, healer can rezz you. And all 4 tanks have ways to protect/ heal a squishy if something goes wrong. It may not have been their mistake in the first place but it's still poor reaction to let things cause a wipe that can be salvaged.

[Packetdancer]

For spread markers even squishies can survive two hits at once so unless you had 3 people (= someone else's mistake too) stacking with spread markers, it can't wipe you either.

While I won't argue with a lot of your post, I will actually note that a lot of us outgear casual endgame content -- sometimes dramatically -- and I think we do sometimes take that for granted and forget it is not universally true; I've been in Aglaia and been startled to see a co-healer who had literally 10k less health than me. Differences in health like that can be the difference between "I ate the mechanic and survived" and "don't mind me, I'll just tank the floor for a bit".

So if someone was in there with minimum ilevel gear, I can absolutely believe an overlapped spread marker would just turn them into paste on the floor, whether or not they were healed to full.

[Rilifane]

While I won't argue with a lot of your post, I will actually note that a lot of us outgear casual endgame content -- sometimes dramatically -- and I think we do sometimes take that for granted and forget it is not universally true; I've been in Aglaia and been startled to see a co-healer who had literally 10k less health than me. Differences in health like that can be the difference between "I ate the mechanic and survived" and "don't mind me, I'll just tank the floor for a bit".

So if someone was in there with minimum ilevel gear, I can absolutely believe an overlapped spread marker would just turn them into paste on the floor, whether or not they were healed to full.

Feel free to argue with everything you disagree with, no reason to hold back if you think something is wrong. That's what forums are for after all.

That said, I did the dungeon quite recently with fairly poor gear on this char. No fancy 600 from raiding. 580 with one 590 piece and I grabbed an accessory or two from the normal raid. That's not exactly overgeared, my friend chased me with the spread marker because he really can't resist doing it and I survived. Barely, admittedly, but I survived.
Two people can die from stacked spread markers but only if both people have fairly low ilvl, if no mitigation is up at all and if neither has a shield either. And seeing as they come in a phase where you don't have to squeeze into a tiny safe zone, it would require a bit of chasing to even happen. Which can happen thanks to the delay between what people do and see on their screen, we all had the classic "Stop chasing me! No YOU stop chasing me!" situation for sure.
But then again, that is not a single person's fault either and that was exactly my point: at the last boss in Troia, things have to be far worse than a single dps screwing up mechanics to wipe.

[Liam_Harper]

So if someone was in there with minimum ilevel gear, I can absolutely believe an overlapped spread marker would just turn them into paste on the floor, whether or not they were healed to full.

I like to drop them on friends with Icarus when we're messing around and I can confirm 2 spread markers usually won't kill an undergeared player in dungeons. Individually they tickle.

[Rilifane]

I like to drop them on friends with Icarus when we're messing around and I can confirm 2 spread markers usually won't kill an undergeared player in dungeons. Individually they tickle.

"Kill for friend"