Why DRG needs rework

[AmpelioB]

I personally would bind the two combo's into a single button each after the 80 level with a trait just to reduce the 5 button combo back to 3 buttons.

[Satarn]

I know how players can feel. I love to play DRK, this is my second main and I would rebel if they decided to change it.

This line is genuinely cursed. Well done.

[Ilisidi]

I personally would bind the two combo's into a single button each after the 80 level with a trait just to reduce the 5 button combo back to 3 buttons.

This would make the job unplayable to me.

[Ruminous]

Dragoon does need to be examined, though only part of the reasons are correct.

The unimpressive animations on some of its stuff is a definite thing but that's just a visual fix. Mechanically, life of the dragon is just plain boring to do. There's no real conscious thought to the mechanic. Just geirskogul up and it comes naturally during each lance charge phase. Waiting means drifting, and unless the fight requires you to sit on your hands, it's automatic. With life being a burst phase, the drg does absolutely nothing different action wise except nastrond and one stardiver. Woo, great burst phase. So excite.

Dragonfire dive is still a trash button for how long you need to wait for its damage. Could be repurposed for making stardiver stronger every couple minutes or something. Mirage dive is...Quite frankly, an extra button that could just go away. Tying its effect to high jump and spreading the potency out alleviates a lost dps issue.

In either case, everyone other dps's burst phases or cooldown phases tend to do something different during them. Dragoon is static - you simply do combo 1 then combo 2 and repeat until you're tanking the floor. If there's 2 enemies, you just drop combo 2 and do combo 1 on both unless they're quick kills. To me, that's largely the problem with dragoon. Nothing you really do feels like it has any weight, and even within phases where your burst windows come out, you're not doing anything different. Compare to other dps, where again, what you're doing changes significantly when you're initiating a cooldown dump.

Still, I'm not sure what it is with dragoon and how some things passed. Fang and claw, wheeling thrust, and mirage dive came off as some dev panicking and realizing they needed new abilities for the expansion. Always bothered me how they had to use the next expansion to fix those nagging problems...

[AmpelioB]

This would make the job unplayable to me.

good for you? I guess, I'm sure most people would just get used to it anyway, one button combo is already something in the game and I don't understand why they don't use it to reduce button bloat, principally for classes that already have a lot of others oGCD. Having two combos with 5 steps AND a lot of oGCD is just, weird, at all. principally most people on pc cant reach more than 5 keys.

[Ilisidi]

Correct, it's already in the game. It doesn't need to be on dragon. People who like to play one button, have choices. People who like to play long even combos with the ogcds in between do not.

[AmpelioB]

Considering they delayed the revamp for drg and ast due to overwhelming negative feedback to what happened to sam and smn, i'm not completely convinced they'll repeat that mistake.

smn? negativity to summoner revamp is a minority, it was literally the most played caster last raid tier.

Kaiten removal is actually nothing new, I doubt they actually care, the same thing happened with Dark Arts on Heavensward people complain and so far no dark arts back.

[Aco505]

I personally would bind the two combo's into a single button each after the 80 level with a trait just to reduce the 5 button combo back to 3 buttons.

Not all jobs need to have a 1-2-3 step combo. It's not in our best interests to make them all the same when they're already being homogenized too much. Variety is good, and if a specific job is not appealing to some people, it'll be for others.

If we want the 5-step combo to feel a bit different, then let's work on it. An option would be to upgrade positionals to a new action when they are in 5th place and give them some interaction with the kit or life windows.

Mechanically, life of the dragon is just plain boring to do. There's no real conscious thought to the mechanic. Just geirskogul up and it comes naturally during each lance charge phase.

This is true in a full uptime scenario, they reduced thinking related to LotD. However, this new savage tier and the newest extreme, as well as the previous savage tier and DSR, have proven that this is not always so clear cut. You will have to do double life, use HJ before GSK, or other different things depending on the encounter. The fact that something happens naturally doesn't mean it's boring, that is an opinion. I do agree though that LotD could have more interactions with the GCDs by, for instance, changing them to be more powerful/have different animations.

With life being a burst phase, the drg does absolutely nothing different action wise except nastrond and one stardiver.

This is not something unique to DRG. Do SAM or NIN become so much different during their burst? Perhaps you have that impression because they may use different GCDs, but DRG is an oGCD job.

Also unlike other jobs, DRG doesn't feel boring between bursts because there's several things to keep track of. Whereas other jobs just spam 1-2-3 and then spend a resource to avoid overcapping for the most part.

Dragonfire dive is still a trash button for how long you need to wait for its damage.

Agreed, DFD needs to have a clear purpose and role. If it's going to be damage, it can't be 300 potency every 2 min (buffs actually bring it to 399 but that's a different question).

Mirage dive is...Quite frankly, an extra button that could just go away. Tying its effect to high jump and spreading the potency out alleviates a lost dps issue.

Saying that you can just remove MD and redistribute the potency and that things would stay the same means a fundamental misunderstanding of what MD does and why it's important. MD cannot be removed unless LotD is changed in the way it works: you either need GSK to have no cooldown but only be active after getting two eyes, HJ to give the eyes directly and have two charges, or both, and even then it might still create issues that right now don't exist because of the way MD works.

everyone other dps's burst phases or cooldown phases tend to do something different during them. Dragoon is static - you simply do combo 1 then combo 2 and repeat until you're tanking the floor. If there's 2 enemies, you just drop combo 2 and do combo 1 on both unless they're quick kills.

DRG is a static job, but saying that it's also the same during bursts is false. You have to fit all your oGCDs in a 15s window, including two NAS, and this can be tight and hard to do at times. This is a job that has to align all of its abilities perfectly to work well, and that is not caused by doing always the same.

It's also one of the few jobs to have a different rotation for one, two and three or more targets. How is that boring?

Compare to other dps, where again, what you're doing changes significantly when you're initiating a cooldown dump.

Most DPS in this game do the exact same thing in all their burst windows with some slight changes here or there. All melees, for example, follow a specific pattern in their burst from beginning to the end to the point where you can map the action usage. There's no significant change when you initiate a burst except in specific cases that are more encounter related than anything else and can affect all jobs equally. You just go from 1-2-3 spam to a specific string of action usage.

DRG does the exact same, but having to keep specific abilities (HJ and GSK in particular) on hard CD to make sure nothing drifts.

smn? negativity to summoner revamp is a minority, it was literally the most played caster last raid tier.

The fact that it became popular doesn't necessarily mean that it's a good thing. SMN lost all of its skill ceiling. The rework succeeded in the thematic and aesthetic department, but not so much mechanically if we compare it to the possibilities of old SMN, even if it also had its issues.

[Reimmi]

smn? negativity to summoner revamp is a minority, it was literally the most played caster last raid tier.

Kaiten removal is actually nothing new, I doubt they actually care, the same thing happened with Dark Arts on Heavensward people complain and so far no dark arts back.

They straight up said they delayed the revamps due to controversy to kaiten and other job changes
If nothing else, they've aknowledged the feedback

[VictorSpoils]

You need to ask what DRG does better than the other melees and work from there.