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    Quote Originally Posted by Enkidoh View Post

    There is actually precedent for this post Sundering too - past Astral Eras had automata doing most of the fighting in wars like golems in the War of the Magi, or mammets like the Onion Knights in Allag, so the Ancients doing the same thing wouldn't be too unbelivable. Of course this is all speculation based on a few ambigious lines, but it does go some way to explaining why things ended up how they did. And that was despite the warm glow of paradise ancient Etheirys appeared to be, there was very much a dark side to the ancient Unsundered world that ultimately festered and rotted through once the flaking 'perfection' broke away. So really all Venat did was force the blinders off. After all, Venat herself stated "that there has always been sorrow", all the Ancients did was shove it under the rug and pretended it didn't exist.
    Yeah Azem as a position is also a hint that not all was well. We know from this tale what Venat did and even there its mentioned that for some things, she needed the help of others. Our Azem too needed to summon friends to their side. Why would that be necessary if its mostly just some wild monsters? Why would someone like Emet get to their side if it was easy?

    The raid also mentions that Azem loved to look for treasures and stuff like that. Why would something like that even be buried? Honestly its sounds like Azem was basically a adventurer.

    And the raid also shows that Ancients can be evil. That they can put their own (bad) interest before the others. Or in the case of Lahabrea even kill for the "greater good".

    Quote Originally Posted by Lelila38 View Post
    Venat did a horrible thing, she thought she did the right thing at the time, but it doesn't change the fact that what she did was horrible.
    And it should have been treated as such. If the scions had stayed true to their ideals they keep preaching at every chance they get, they'd have called her out on it.
    She is the reason why the scions (and the rest of the people) even exist. And when we do get to her she even says that this has brought suffering, that this was not kind. Not only that but we as the WoL can tell her to her face in the beginning that we dont trust her anymore. I dont see why we needed more than that. Of course they would be more positive towards the person that bascially created them and that also ensured that the sundered people have a way out if we fail. (With the Moon being a ship)

    Next to that we do get the Omega quests where the WoL can say what they do think about it.

    Honestly why should the scions react way more with someone that is bascially on their side, while they still were nice enough with Emet in Shadowbringers and more with him in Ultima, where Alisaie even seemed sad that he would move on instead of coming with them. The same with our character who is written as really liking him and even reaching out to him in Elpis. To someone that destroyed whole planets.

    If the scions should behave hostile toward Venat than the Ascians should have been threated much worser too.
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    Last edited by Alleo; 08-31-2022 at 10:57 PM.