Island Content Gated behind Expertise Crafts

[Packetdancer]

Cheaper yes but I don't know about nothing. The materials are kinda difficult to get with a lot of RNG involved. You have to use aetherial reduction on the new sublime nodes they added and get lucky.

You do need to get lucky , yes, but even still it’s not that hard *if* pentamelded. I did some gathering last night while waiting around for people, and over the course of a few hours I got 5 igneous glioaether, 5 verdurous glioaether, and 3 aqueous glioaether. The last—from fishing—was by far the most annoying.

[Jojoya]

Lol...the community would go ballistic if they did this. Relic lines are grindy enough as it is without throwing that crap on top of it.

I think you misunderstand what Momo was trying to say.

It's not use crafter/gatherers in the process for getting the DoM/DoW relic weapons. It's give DoH/DoL their own relics (tools in their case) to grind.

We actually did get those last expansion but most crafters weren't impressed by them. By the time we got to the final stage of the relic where they were technically BiS over any other tools, they were pointless for everything but the Expert grind and many stuck to their Aesthete tools for that.

Crafters and gatherers were asking SE for a crafting/gathering end game for a long time. SE is trying to figure just what sort of end game are they looking for. While there are the outliers who are looking for prestige items that would represent their crafting/gathering skill, others are looking for what made them pick up crafting/gathering in the first place -earning more gil.

So where last expansion the Expert content was related more to prestige achievements, this expansion they seem to be going the gil route. Now they're getting the backlash from other players who think that making their Sanctuary look better shouldn't involve paying crafters who already get rich making other items. It might have been a mistake to give the fountain a superior appearance to the other landmarks.

I know YoshiP mentioned somewhere along the way that players would have different architecture styles to choose from for their Sanctuary buildings and I find it a bit hard to believe he only meant swapping to cruder earier versions. I'm wonder if those additional styles are going to be the Expert recipes for future 6.x patches. It wouldn't bother me on a personal level since I'm capable of doing the crafting. But the increasing uproar it would likely cause would be bad for the game and the community. Players are already unhappy with how much gil crafters make, despite having the option to participate in the content themselves. Crafting is very accessible but few want to take advantage, and that makes it that much easier for those who do to earn more gil since there's not much competition.

[Eraden]

You do need to get lucky , yes, but even still it’s not that hard *if* pentamelded. I did some gathering last night while waiting around for people, and over the course of a few hours I got 5 igneous glioaether, 5 verdurous glioaether, and 3 aqueous glioaether. The last—from fishing—was by far the most annoying.

RNG is a HUGE factor here. With appropriate food I am at 3804 Gathering and 3766 Perception. Getting to 1000 quality is the first hurdle. Even with these stats, more often than not it takes more than 2 uses of the nodes' integrity to get to 1000 quality. Then comes the painful part. At 3804 Gathering I have only a 13% chance for a sublime collectible. I can go for several nodes without seeing a single sublime collectible. My worst run was 90 minutes worth of collecting with not a single Glio to show for it. Admittedly there were times when I had somewhat better luck but honestly, I think the RNG involved here is a bit too extreme.

[Deveryn]

Players are already unhappy with how much gil crafters make, despite having the option to participate in the content themselves.

I've made plenty of money just from adventuring and keeping up with content. Crafting had little to do with the millions I've racked up. I don't see why people care so much about how much they make. There's only so much you can do with gil.

[Iscah]

There is little else said regarding aesthetics outside IS after rank 10. Only the impression that there will be follow up content for the Island. Who's to say that the fountain doesn't play any part in progression further past rank 10?

If I'm understanding right from this thread, once you've unlocked it, it's "just another landmark option" like the others that require no input besides Island Sanctuary progress. I'm pretty sure the system doesn't care which landmarks you build where.

I haven't started IS yet and the longer it goes on the less I want to do it. It seems like if you haven't already maxed everything out by now don't bother, no one is going to be worrying about it next week anyway.

It's totally self-driven and nobody else is on your island, so you're not missing out on anything by waiting. It's not like Eureka or Bozja where you need to do it alongside a crowd or it gets harder later.

That said, it's not necessarily good content that you're missing out on and this is not a "it's fun and you should do it" endorsement. But if falling behind is your only concern, don't be worried about that.

If you just want one or two of the purchasable items but don't want to engage, I'm thinking the easiest route might be to get in there, do the initial tutorial that gives you a chunk of currency and unlocks the shop, up to the point where the mammets start asking you for money to expand the facilities. Don't pay them, leave and come back once a week to gather 100 items and receive 1000 currency from the challenge log.

The green side of the vendor seems completely pointless. I wish you could convert those excess mats to the blue at a lower rate or something.

Look through the other tabs. Only the raw materials are sold for the useless green currency; other items like produce, leavings and rare materials from the granary can be sold for blue currency.

This means that the granary expeditions are at very least a cost-neutral way of gathering basic materials over time (sell two rares = 50 cowries = cost of expedition recouped) and another opportunity for a long-term trickle of currency once you upgrade the granary and start getting three rares per expedition.

[Darthgummibear]

Look through the other tabs. Only the raw materials are sold for the useless green currency; other items like produce, leavings and rare materials from the granary can be sold for blue currency.

I'm aware of this. That doesn't change the fact that the green portion is useless. My statement was regarding my wish that the materials currently exchanged for green could be exchanged for blue instead, since I have a ridiculous excess of materials I'll never use and nothing worthwhile to do with them.

[Deveryn]

Green side is there for when you break 999 of something and want to get rid of the error message.

[LianaThorne]

I'm aware of this. That doesn't change the fact that the green portion is useless. My statement was regarding my wish that the materials currently exchanged for green could be exchanged for blue instead, since I have a ridiculous excess of materials I'll never use and nothing worthwhile to do with them.

The irony of calling green side useless when people are freaking out here about needing expensive pentamelds to do the content. They're literally giving you a way to get the materia. Just get them from there....for free....over time. Not a hard concept. Hell, odds are someone has some form of macro to get you by up already since people were macroing relics & firm experts when they were still current content.

Personally I'm glad they're giving DoH/DoL some new content and as someone who placed in the top 12 of Firm rankings for DoH, I'm excited to actually do something with experts again.

[Infindox]

I have the fountain. I like it better then the windmill so I have it up, but not having it does literally nothing. It does the same thing as the other landmarks do. With the Water Otter fountain being the 5th landmark and there are only 4 spots, you're not missing anything not having it.

[Naoki34]

I thought that island content was supposed to be completely seperate and not requiring DoH or DoL for the island. However if you get the island to rank 10 and complete the final mission as well as have everything upgraded to rank 3 and all the land marks posted you get the permit for the Water Odder Otter Fountain for the Land marks, however, it is locked behind expert crafts behind DoH outside of the Island. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it stated that DoH and DoL was not required for all island content. If you don't have it the cost of the materials needed for the permit range from 12 million to 15 million gil pending the server.

It's just a nice bonus fountain for crafter.

You must have a crafter friend, or take up crafting, anything you don't pay the Marketboard for is money earned, even if the sale quickly becomes ridiculous.