Machinist needs some reworking

[Jirah]

After all this time of them ignoring the one complaint we have all had.. that the job is far too ping dependent and they have done nothing to address it. (Literally since it’s inception this has been a complaint)… i give up. They will never listen to the mch community.

So with that. I hope for those of you who continue to scream into the void it helps, but my advice, go pick up blm or brd or dnc, jobs SE actually loves

Id wager a pretty penny that the main reason why they havent touched MCH in any meaningful way is that because it has such a massively positive reception in SHB that theyd hate to alter it at all out of risk that it would tamper too much with the fanbase that they created....counterpoints: "MCH is good again" was a fad and the people enamored with it moved on to reaper, monk or summoner as its their nature and SE is stuck with a more stubborn base. Hot take: it was never good in SHB! the same ping reliance plagued SHB aswell and for what its worth the bare bone base was underwhelming compared to many many jobs at the time, fast forward to EW and nothings changed but Drill 3 making it just as remedial while most jobs got new toys and mechanics (besides ya know, summoner and perhaps DRK) the most exciting thing about it is sHoTgUN which is such a trivial addtion that only the hardcore shills mood at it. MCH needs a full ass rework, I can confidently say any tampering in this awkward mechanics and spastic GCDs cladded in the skin of a job I used to love will never be beneficial without a complete overhaul. Cant add anything without messing up the heat timing, queens launch or reassembles timing besides a GCD Drill IV comming soon!

[MegaUltrachicken]

More dev communication on the forums on balance changes and other feedback would be really appreciated. There seems to be a growing distrust on job balance on the forums.

While the recent change was nice, the main feedback on MCH hasn't been talked about at all. Surely they can see the amount of jobs that clear savage/ultimate content compared to MCH.

For me I would like changes such as:
Flamethrower becoming an AoE focused battery spender and uses those Flamethrower robots from Alexander raids instead. AoE is one of the job's weakest points so other changes may be needed.
More utility would be nice if they don't want to increase MCH damage too much. MCH's dps isn't good enough to make up for the lack of utility at the moment.
Make hypercharge use 5 stacks instead of on a timer to help resolve ping issues.
Give Drill more use such as DoT or a debuff to help boost damage. Air anchor and chainsaw give battery, bioblaster is an AoE DoT so why not give Drill something as well?

[Duskane]

but why would they bother reworking when they would just put that effort in the next range DPS

[CKNovel]

Flamethrower becoming an AoE focused battery spender and uses those Flamethrower robots from Alexander raids instead. AoE is one of the job's weakest points so other changes may be needed.

Are we really going down that road once again when SAM got kaiten removed because of "button bloat"?
AoE variant aren't good, if you gave the Automaton Queen AoE damage you would get the same result but on the same button.

As soon as the "AoE battery spender" will be implemented, you will see many comparisons with Shoha II.
MCH also has enough variant with Bio Blaster and Auto Cross Bow.

[Rayne6665]

I may be dumb on this but can someone fill me in about 6.2 machinist job adjustment? Did they nerf the class?

[Atmaweapon510]

It's a slight buff to endgame MCH so that Automaton Queen fits more neatly into 2 minute burst windows but otherwise, there's no change when MCH needed a buff.

[Rayne6665]

It's a slight buff to endgame MCH so that Automaton Queen fits more neatly into 2 minute burst windows but otherwise, there's no change when MCH needed a buff.

Ah okay tyty

[MagiusNecros]

Crit/DH changes make our investment into those stats beefier. The AQ change makes you plan accordingly based on encounter since it's a 6 second DoT with a 6 second start up time depending on you using a GCD.

I've been building to 100 gauge and having Heated Clean Shot ready so after use you can HCS, Air Anchor and Chainsaw in 3 GCDs to build 50 Gauge for another AQ just as it finishes for a bit more sustained DPS.

[Atmaweapon510]

Also, for anyone looking at the current extreme logs, there's some things people need to keep in mind:

MCH still has among the lowest maximum dps outputs.
All jobs but especially tanks and healers are being loaded with subpar secondary stats for damage output which severely hurts synergy DPS compared to selfish dps like MCH. This really isn't going to be rectified until the end of savage raiding though.

[MagiusNecros]

MCH would be better if you had a much more reliable way to build Battery. Heat buildup with Scattergun is insane. And for the bulk of MCH sustained dmg it comes from the devs favored 2 minute burst utilizing WF+AQ+HC all at once and then before you can burst again you have to wait for Wildfire to be back up.