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    Quote Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44 View Post
    The quality of a story is objective. You can like a bad story if you so choose, but that choice does not make that story of a higher quality. If I write a book series of four books, and in my last one I trash everything that came before and repeatedly try to force my readers to agree with me and like a certain character that I do, that's bad storytelling objectively. You can like my story, but it is not good. The same is true in reverse. For example, Lord of the Rings (both the books and the movies) is an objectively amazing series that is very high quality. There are still plenty of people who don't like it for one reason or another. Them not liking Lord of the Rings does not make it a bad series. You can have your opinion on whether you LIKED or DISLIKED Endwalker or LotR, but your opinion does not define its quality as that is objective.
    Who decides what the rules for storytelling and art are though? If you ask four different writers what makes a good story and structure, you could very well get four different answers. In the same way that four professional reviewers can give totally different opinions to one film. How can a community of countless voices decide what is and is not objective elements of a MMO video game story? There are many voices in this debate, and the vast majority will not be free of any biases. At best, and this is stretching it a little, the Endwalker reaction seems to be split, even here where negative voices get to shine more the pendulum dose not sway in one direction alone. You can argue that its devise for sure and I would agree, but I really do not think you can say it is objectively bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurlstone View Post
    Who decides what the rules for storytelling and art are though?
    Logic and common sense. If your story does not make logical sense within its own universe, it is not a good story. If you set something up in a certain way, and then retcon it, that is bad storytelling. If you show one thing and tell a completely different thing, that is bad storytelling. If you make a race of people or a particular person, only to then tear them down and paint them as awful since the dawn of time when they clearly weren't until a grand total of 5 minutes ago (if at all), that's bad storytelling. (I mentioned RWBY earlier and cartoon villain Ironwood fits this last one well)

    If a story does any of these, you have encountered bad storytelling. These are not the only storytelling rules, but they are some of the basics, and Endwalker breaks all of these. Endwalker is not a good story. It is objectively pretty bad. You can like it, and you have the right to do so, but if you wanna say it is a GOOD story, you are lying.
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    Last edited by AwesomeJr44; 08-29-2022 at 10:39 AM.