I'm not surprised by the call for abstinence because y'all can't seem to help yourselves, to the extent that I recognize several of you from the "lackluster" thread in general discussion.

As for the topic at hand, even without the Ancients EW was a middling expansion. I found quite a lot of it boring and the themes were juvenile at best and offensive at worst. Elpis carried it hard, it was both the best and worst part of 6.0.

Immortal Scions are also dull. Not to mention the messaging when the protagonists always win and never suffer any setbacks let alone losses in a world ending scenario to overcome despair was laughable.

I unsubbed (to the joy of the complainers here, I'm sure), possibly permanently because the writing outside of Pandemonium (and, believe me, I'm waiting for them to ruin that too) is just so bad I can't take it seriously anymore. It's a shame because I dearly loved ShB and didn't want to admit that it was a fluke. Oh well.

Regarding the toxicity, that has existed here since before I joined and it doesn't take long to realize the people complaining about it are the ones cultivating it. I learned that the hard way as did several others. There's a reason lore discussion moved to another forum. I only have a day or two left of forum access. I'm mostly just giddy about the short story confirming what we'd been saying all along, what a nice parting gift.