Endwalker Story sucked and it's time to admit it

[Brinne]

In this very expansion we had an entire zone dedicated to the story of a population struggling with the collapse of their worldview and several horrible truths. Efforts were extended to grant them empathy and assistance at every turn. Some of them, before our eyes, chose self-destruction and death out of despair - this is more direct evidence about a "bad reaction" than Venat ever had in regards to her conviction to bar information about the Final Days and the universe at large from the Ancients, but we didn't decide based on that the Garleans could never change and slaughter them all either.

[thegreatonemal]

In this very expansion we had an entire zone dedicated to the story of a population struggling with the collapse of their worldview and several horrible truths. Efforts were extended to grant them empathy and assistance at every turn. Some of them, before our eyes, chose self-destruction and death out of despair - this is more direct evidence about a "bad reaction" than Venat ever had in regards to her conviction to bar information about the Final Days and the universe at large from the Ancients, but we didn't decide based on that the Garleans could never change and slaughter them all either.

How their worldview collapsed is why they were extended that treatment that they got. Also the stakes are different. Had the Garleans refused to accept that their world was gone, only they would die or be wallowing in despair, not the entire universe.

[Lyth]

Lahabrea was a senior member of Amaurot's government, and Athena was the keyward of a major public institution that conducted risky experiments. You would think that he would simply bring the issue before the Convocation not only to ensure due process, but also to ensure that any potential risks to society from within Pandaemonium were addressed. He murdered his wife. And not only did he conceal this fact from the Convocation and his own people, he denied the warders within hope of rescue, and he also concealed any potentially dangerous fallout from Athena and his alter ego's actions. And remember, we've already been told that something which happened within Pandaemonium was a threat to the planet.

I thought we already addressed the alt issue, no? Someone seems very eager for a rematch.

[tokinokanatae]

Had the Garleans refused to accept that their world was gone, only they would die or be wallowing in despair, not the entire universe.

How were the Ancients to understand that their difficulty moving on was of importance to the broader universe again…?

[Brinne]

Had the Garleans refused to accept that their world was gone, only they would die or be wallowing in despair, not the entire universe.

I mean, one of the prongs of the exploration of some of their inability to move on involved insistence on continued military culture and action, even going so far as attacking the parties trying to provide direct assistance.

Which means we gotta Black Rose 'em all, obviously.

EDIT:

Just going to ignore her faction trying to convince the Convocation and being rebuked are you?

So, what did her faction tell the Convocation, exactly?

[Rulakir]

I'm honestly not sure how many times and ways "Endwalker sucks!" can be repeated. 8 months isn't long enough to find out, evidently.

The expansion is not even a year old yet and not everyone completed 6.0 in December or even January. Plus, many people have said they initially enjoyed EW, but having gone through it again on an alt or NG+ their impression changed.

I just think it's ridiculous that anyone thinks in a current expansion that criticism and negative feedback is going to stop after a certain period of time. You've got at least another year of it and that's not including anyone who doesn't start playing until after 7.0. EW is simply too divisive to stand the test of time being remembered fondly vs. controversial, it will at the very least be another SB in the library of expansions. Worse, because it was the finale.

This isn't even going into if 7.0 isn't good and more people will start to question why the arc was ended prematurely to usher in a 'lackluster' story.

[Cilia]

You'd be amazed at how long one person can nurse a grudge. It's not even about the game or its story, at its core.

Yeah I know, GIFT, validation, echo chambers leading to viewpoints ever shifting to the extreme, etc.

How their worldview collapsed is why they were extended that treatment that they got. Also the stakes are different. Had the Garleans refused to accept that their world was gone, only they would die or be wallowing in despair, not the entire universe.

The Garleans got the treatment they did because the course of their lives, having already been filled with hardship before the Empire's collapse, let them grow the resilience necessary to endure that loss. Some of them, anyway (re: Quintus). The Ancients' lives had little to no hardship, so when shocked with the Final Days and the price paid to stop it, they were unable to swallow that price and demanded a refund and return to the old status quo.

The stakes are a tertiary issue, at best.

[Tux13s]

You have the right to have an opinion and nobody will crucify you for it, I personally loved the story and everything the game had to offer but clearly isn’t going to please everyone. I hope you find something that fits your game lore better.

[tokinokanatae]

The Garleans got the treatment they did because the course of their lives, having already been filled with hardship before the Empire's collapse, let them grow the resilience necessary to endure that loss. Some of them, anyway (re: Quintus). The Ancients' lives had little to no hardship, so when shocked with the Final Days and the price paid to stop it, they were unable to swallow that price and demanded a refund and return to the old status quo.

The Garleans lived in one of the most technologically advanced, powerful nations of the currently known world for long enough that anyone that had experienced the hardships you speak of directly would have been a child at the time.

If we find out that the Ancients had had a billion years of struggle and strife before their current standard of living, would that suddenly make the Sundering unacceptable to you?

[thegreatonemal]

Yeah I know, GIFT, validation, echo chambers leading to viewpoints ever shifting to the extreme, etc.



The Garleans got the treatment they did because the course of their lives, having already been filled with hardship before the Empire's collapse, let them grow the resilience necessary to endure that loss. Some of them, anyway (re: Quintus). The Ancients' lives had little to no hardship, so when shocked with the Final Days and the price paid to stop it, they were unable to swallow that price and demanded a refund and return to the old status quo.

The stakes are a tertiary issue, at best.

I'd say its the primary reason, we were planning to simply have a standard conventional war had the towers not appeared. While thematically they are a nice comparison to the Ancients its not the reason we go there feeling sorry for them.