Endwalker Story sucked and it's time to admit it

[thegreatonemal]

In this very expansion we had an entire zone dedicated to the story of a population struggling with the collapse of their worldview and several horrible truths. Efforts were extended to grant them empathy and assistance at every turn. Some of them, before our eyes, chose self-destruction and death out of despair - this is more direct evidence about a "bad reaction" than Venat ever had in regards to her conviction to bar information about the Final Days and the universe at large from the Ancients, but we didn't decide based on that the Garleans could never change and slaughter them all either.

How their worldview collapsed is why they were extended that treatment that they got. Also the stakes are different. Had the Garleans refused to accept that their world was gone, only they would die or be wallowing in despair, not the entire universe.

[tokinokanatae]

Had the Garleans refused to accept that their world was gone, only they would die or be wallowing in despair, not the entire universe.

How were the Ancients to understand that their difficulty moving on was of importance to the broader universe again…?

[Brinne]

Had the Garleans refused to accept that their world was gone, only they would die or be wallowing in despair, not the entire universe.

I mean, one of the prongs of the exploration of some of their inability to move on involved insistence on continued military culture and action, even going so far as attacking the parties trying to provide direct assistance.

Which means we gotta Black Rose 'em all, obviously.

EDIT:

Just going to ignore her faction trying to convince the Convocation and being rebuked are you?

So, what did her faction tell the Convocation, exactly?

[Cilia]

You'd be amazed at how long one person can nurse a grudge. It's not even about the game or its story, at its core.

Yeah I know, GIFT, validation, echo chambers leading to viewpoints ever shifting to the extreme, etc.

How their worldview collapsed is why they were extended that treatment that they got. Also the stakes are different. Had the Garleans refused to accept that their world was gone, only they would die or be wallowing in despair, not the entire universe.

The Garleans got the treatment they did because the course of their lives, having already been filled with hardship before the Empire's collapse, let them grow the resilience necessary to endure that loss. Some of them, anyway (re: Quintus). The Ancients' lives had little to no hardship, so when shocked with the Final Days and the price paid to stop it, they were unable to swallow that price and demanded a refund and return to the old status quo.

The stakes are a tertiary issue, at best.

[tokinokanatae]

The Garleans got the treatment they did because the course of their lives, having already been filled with hardship before the Empire's collapse, let them grow the resilience necessary to endure that loss. Some of them, anyway (re: Quintus). The Ancients' lives had little to no hardship, so when shocked with the Final Days and the price paid to stop it, they were unable to swallow that price and demanded a refund and return to the old status quo.

The Garleans lived in one of the most technologically advanced, powerful nations of the currently known world for long enough that anyone that had experienced the hardships you speak of directly would have been a child at the time.

If we find out that the Ancients had had a billion years of struggle and strife before their current standard of living, would that suddenly make the Sundering unacceptable to you?

[Theodric]

I thought we already addressed the alt issue, no? Someone seems very eager for a rematch.

Hardly eager. I just appreciate clarification and apologies when defamatory comments and false accusations are launched at various posters suggesting that they're just alts of one another and not their own individual beings with their own thoughts, feelings and opinions.

It's certainly water under the bridge and of little lingering consequence if the mistake is acknowledged though.

[Cilia]

The expansion is not even a year old yet and not everyone completed 6.0 in December or even January. Plus, many people have said they initially enjoyed EW, but having gone through it again on an alt or NG+ their impression changed.

I just think it's ridiculous that anyone thinks in a current expansion that criticism and negative feedback is going to stop after a certain period of time. You've got at least another year of it and that's not including anyone who doesn't start playing until after 7.0. EW is simply too divisive to stand the test of time being remembered fondly vs. controversial, it will at the very least be another SB in the library of expansions. Worse, because it was the finale.

This isn't even going into if 7.0 isn't good and more people will start to question why the arc was ended prematurely to usher in a 'lackluster' story.

/shrug

The Garleans lived in one of the most technologically advanced, powerful nations of the currently known world for long enough that anyone that had experienced the hardships you speak of directly would have been a child at the time.

Even if the average Garlean had a better standard of living than, say, the average Eorzean, their lives still weren't free of hardship or suffering - their nation was propped up on a policy of aggressive expansion, its government was fascistic, and the civilians that traveled abroad were often met with understandable scorn even if they didn't approve of its war machine. A lot of Garleans were soldiers or had family in the military, or otherwise supported it through engineering and medicine.

I might not agree with the cause they fought for, but that doesn't make their hardships nonexistent.

[thegreatonemal]

Yeah I know, GIFT, validation, echo chambers leading to viewpoints ever shifting to the extreme, etc.



The Garleans got the treatment they did because the course of their lives, having already been filled with hardship before the Empire's collapse, let them grow the resilience necessary to endure that loss. Some of them, anyway (re: Quintus). The Ancients' lives had little to no hardship, so when shocked with the Final Days and the price paid to stop it, they were unable to swallow that price and demanded a refund and return to the old status quo.

The stakes are a tertiary issue, at best.

I'd say its the primary reason, we were planning to simply have a standard conventional war had the towers not appeared. While thematically they are a nice comparison to the Ancients its not the reason we go there feeling sorry for them.

[Brinne]

The Garleans got the treatment they did because the course of their lives, having already been filled with hardship before the Empire's collapse, let them grow the resilience necessary to endure that loss. Some of them, anyway (re: Quintus). The Ancients' lives had little to no hardship, so when shocked with the Final Days and the price paid to stop it, they were unable to swallow that price and demanded a refund and return to the old status quo.

I really want to know what the exact threshold is for prior suffering before a crisis hits, in time, quantity, and quality, that means we flip to opting for "empathy and extending help" rather than "murder." And how it's calculated, and who gets to do the calculating.