Reaper needs additional buffs.

[remiff]

Raid Buffs are still not utility and that's a big lmao at comparing life surge with the other melees defensives.

It's not only a heal, it's also a personal shield defensive on an extremely low cooldown, it can outheal tanks in overall heal/absorb, that is absolutely not completely useless, it doesn't even overheal that much so it's absolutely doing its work.
If it's so useless why is everyone pressing it?

I don't really agree with you, raidbuffs are extremely useful and square enix has always made its job balancing based on these, it's not for nothing that they don't really like to buff jobs that bring a lot of support, each teambuff/mobility is a reason for them to tax dps, but currently melee like ninja and drg are at the top of the rankings when they theoretically should never be because yes they have the utility, the ninja brings 5% more damage for the whole team every 120s, in an opener it's extremely effective, the drg brings 10% crit whole team + 5% damage to a teammate for 20s with a 120s cooldown, if we looked at the rDPS jobs included they are respectively top 1-2, and even in aDPS they are very closes to the black mage and samourai while they have no synergy.

[Naomishtola]

I don't really agree with you, raidbuffs are extremely useful and square enix has always made its job balancing based on these, it's not for nothing that they don't really like to buff jobs that bring a lot of support, each teambuff/mobility is a reason for them to tax dps, but currently melee like ninja and drg are at the top of the rankings when they theoretically should never be because yes they have the utility, the ninja brings 5% more damage for the whole team every 120s, in an opener it's extremely effective, the drg brings 10% crit whole team + 5% damage to a teammate for 20s with a 120s cooldown, if we looked at the rDPS jobs included they are respectively top 1-2, and even in aDPS they are very closes to the black mage and samourai while they have no synergy.

They all are pretty even in terms of adps tho? (data taken from Abyssos normal and new EX trial)


Not really sure if raid buffs can be called utility as they offer no extra mitigation or party benefit other than extra damage. While on the other hand reaper does have arcane crest which does take a load off healers and is extra mitigation on an insanely low cooldown. I would understand if NIN and DRG would have the same, but they don't. NINs Shadeshift has a 120s cooldown and does not provide the healing aspect, Dragoon just straight up doesn't have any personal/raidwide defensive cooldown other than feint which every melee has access too. Looking at the healing section, a good reaper heals for twice as much as any other melee dps. I'd love if other melee dps classes had this sort of defensive utility (well monk does to a certain extend)

[Aco505]

I don't really agree with you, raidbuffs are extremely useful and square enix has always made its job balancing based on these, it's not for nothing that they don't really like to buff jobs that bring a lot of support, each teambuff/mobility is a reason for them to tax dps, but currently melee like ninja and drg are at the top of the rankings when they theoretically should never be because yes they have the utility, the ninja brings 5% more damage for the whole team every 120s, in an opener it's extremely effective, the drg brings 10% crit whole team + 5% damage to a teammate for 20s with a 120s cooldown, if we looked at the rDPS jobs included they are respectively top 1-2, and even in aDPS they are very closes to the black mage and samourai while they have no synergy.

Damage buffs are not utility. As someone already mentioned, utility are things that help the party in other ways than damage such as defensives, healing abilities and so on.

DPS jobs are mostly balanced around their damage in two different ways: buff contribution and personal damage. Utility does not seem to be factored at all. The only role in which this seems to be the case is tanks, especially WAR.

When a job has high buff contribution, it deals less personal damage and vice versa. This is why SAM, for instance, benefits a lot from buffs, because they deal more personal damage and provide no buff, but this extra damage from others' buffs is there thanks to the buffing jobs providing such bonuses. So there is you could say some kind of feedback between buffing and non-buffing jobs.

Then you have jobs in the middle that provide a buff, but also have good personal damage. These are MNK and RPR. NIN is overtuned right now but before was closer to DRG than the other two, making DRG and NIN the "buffer" melees.

The problem with RPR is that their buff is weak, and their personal damage does not compensate for it, in part because Arcane Circle is also a "selfish" buff but also because 3% is a weird number. It kinda works for SMN due to how long it lasts, but not so much for RPR.

DRG has no utility at all besides the one shared by all melee DPS: Feint. It is absolutely powerless when any kind of extra damage or raidwide comes its way, because it has no defensive ability unique to the job to mitigate the attack, whereas this is the case for the others.

MCH is in a similar spot: damage aside, it provides no unique benefit to the team, and that's one of the reasons why MCH players have been complaining for a while, alongside others like their actual identity as a "selfish" job, the way it plays, queen usage and so on.

[Picker]

I dunno, reaper so brain dead easy that it should be lowest melee dps

[Ryaz]

Define "significant" because the average logged Reaper still seems to be around 3% below the top damage dealer and only a little more than 1% below its contemporaries, MNK and DRG. The difference in the top parses is about 5% but DRG is a bit of an outlier that relies on synergy to get that kind of parse. (Top synergy dps parses basically want a lot of selfish DPS classes to "leech" rdps from.)

Also DRG has NO utility. Utility is stuff that's NOT factored into rdps, such as party heals from Arcane circle, Mantra healing bonus, Curing Waltz, etc. DRG utility is worse than SAM because at least SAM controls when they use their damage reduction. People need to stop trying to downplay Arcane circle, it's basically a free 300 potency party heal after every other raidwide and contrary to popular belief, healers aren't robots that are able to automatically coordinate with their co healer to map out their healing in a way that lets them dps all the time.

Basically, what it comes down to in every MMO, if you aren't top dps, then you're the worst dps. That's always been the feeling I get from any DPS comparisons in any game. Even if it's a difference of only 1-2%%, and content is still easily cleared, people tend to get upset because their colored bar is a little shorter.

[Serpent1ng]

I dunno, reaper so brain dead easy that it should be lowest melee dps

Every class is "brain dead easy" once you put the two minutes in to learn the rotation. Difficulty to play has never actually factored in to how much damage a class does.

[MagiusNecros]

I dunno, reaper so brain dead easy that it should be lowest melee dps

Nah that would be Dragon Kick Monk. But a lot of classes I feel are being too simplified and have become braindead. MCH and SMN are also contenders for most braindead as well.

[Supersnow845]

Nah that would be Dragon Kick Monk. But a lot of classes I feel are being too simplified and have become braindead. MCH and SMN are also contenders for most braindead as well.

Dragon kick monk is not just “spam dragon kick” you have to maintain your buffs and there is slot of weird Jank around rotation order so that things you have to do that aren’t dragon kick don’t fall in the burst windows

The rotation might honestly be harder than just playing MNK optimally

[Quyn]

Every class is "brain dead easy" once you put the two minutes in to learn the rotation. Difficulty to play has never actually factored in to how much damage a class does.

no, thats patently false. Once you take them into mechanic heavy content, some classes are much easier than others, due to having to spin less plates.

[MagiusNecros]

Dragon kick monk is not just “spam dragon kick” you have to maintain your buffs and there is slot of weird Jank around rotation order so that things you have to do that aren’t dragon kick don’t fall in the burst windows

The rotation might honestly be harder than just playing MNK optimally

No it's really not. Pressing Twin Snakes and Demolish every 15 seconds is not hard. Neither is aligning Fire/Wind/Brotherhood. And once every 30 seconds you can use Bootshine if you want.

Furthermore at 82 with PB if you don't need 3 different Beast Chakra you can opt to just do Shadow of the Destroyer since the auto crit will be stronger then Rockbreaker.

You really just Dragonkick most of the time when your Master Blitz/Perfect Balance is on CD.

It seems complicated but in practice it really isn't. Monk is one of the most braindead classes while also toting the strongest Melee DPS breathing neck and neck with good SAMs.