Sweet we are back to everyone who doesn't agree with me is a troll.

WHAT DID ATHENA DO?

Experiment on her son. Influence her son. How? With what methods?

"Well we saw..."

Oh that magical vision conjured by Lahabrea. Clearly we can trust him.

I am amazed at how trusting you all are. That was not us using the echo to see the truth. That was a magical retelling of events created by a VERY questionable source.