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    Player Necrotica's Avatar
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    Dolly Derringer
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    Not a fan of Paenaemonium part 2

    Bad soap opera plot.

    That forced me to side with Lahabrea.

    That condemns a scientist for breaking Ancient's version of religious dogma.

    God forbid someone show an interest in something other than THE STAR!!!!

    ALL MUST SERVE THE HOLY STAR!

    I still have no clue what Athena did wrong. She experimented on her son. How? Was there torture? Just some aether samples?

    This plot is going straight down the toilet.
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    I definitely didn’t hate it as much as you do but I’m certainly getting sick of the whole ancients dogma around everything is for the star, that preaching is getting really old at this point

    But then again part 2’s of a raid series subverting story expectations in what seems like a garbage way only for them to throw a curveball in part 3 is nothing new
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    Trpimir Ratyasch
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    The Ancients' dogmatic devotion to the planet is a little grating, but I don't find it nearly as annoying as the dragons' "Our perception of time is different and that justifies what we're doing!" in Heavensward.

    Problem was Athena trying to transcend humanity to godhood is hubristic as all get out. Hephaistos fusing people with their creations and calling themselves "hemitheos" (demigods) makes this pretty apparent, and given he's an incarnation of Lahabrea's "Athena-infected" psyche their goals were one and the same. When you decide your hubristic ambitions take precedence over the good of the people... well.

    We still don't know why Erichthonios was so important to her plans, it's one of the lingering mysteries that need to be answered in what's all but certain to be the Tartaros tier.
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    "There is no hope in stubbornly clinging to the past. It is our duty to face the future and march onward, not retreat inward." -Sovetsky Soyuz, Azur Lane: Snowrealm Peregrination

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrotica View Post
    God forbid someone show an interest in something other than THE STAR!!!!
    I think it was less "I'm researching for my personal gains that will disturb no one life" and more of "I'm researching and about to experiment on sacrificing too many people to advance my personal gains"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kranel_San View Post
    I think it was less "I'm researching for my personal gains that will disturb no one life" and more of "I'm researching and about to experiment on sacrificing too many people to advance my personal gains"
    honestly she reminded me of orochimaru. an amoral researcher who'll do literally anything to learn more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kranel_San View Post
    I think it was less "I'm researching for my personal gains that will disturb no one life" and more of "I'm researching and about to experiment on sacrificing too many people to advance my personal gains"
    Also what she was researching is considered outright morally reprehensible, by a society that thinks things like 'inventing apex predators' is a moral good. We don't know what that something is, but we've got some clues.


    Honestly, my main objection is that while we were given pretty much every available chance to glower at Lahabrea for... you know, being Lahabrea, we weren't given the same for Elidibus. Something I like the game doing with the more shady characters given atonement/redemption/sympathy arcs is the game giving the chance for us not to buy it; Gaius in Werlyt is a good example, he's atoning on a personal level but the game never demands you forgive him or treat him nice. Lahabrea gets that sort of treatment in a non-linear way, you're allowed to treat him like crap for the things he'll go on to do, and none of the dialog choices outright force you to be kind to/about him if you don't want to. And yet, I am never allowed to drag Elidibus for the things he will do in the future, despite him being just as bad.

    Otherwise, Abyssos is great, but it's great in a way that just makes me ask 'where the hell was all of this in Asphodelos'. I didn't leave the first four raids knowing why we were bothering with this whole story on much of any level; moving the Abyssos-end stinger and the reveal of Hephaistos to somewhere in those first four raids would've fixed every problem I have with the series that isn't 'stop forcing me to be nice to Elidibus'.
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    Last edited by Cleretic; 08-27-2022 at 01:18 PM.

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    tokinokanatae's Avatar
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    Luckily the WoL isn't enough of an asshole to continually dunk on some kid that's done nothing but be kind and helpful to us. (Gee, why didn't get get an option to tell Ga Bu to piss off?)

    The reason we're given a variety of responses to Lahabrea and not Themis is that Lahabrea is part of what we're investigating. The location is under his purview and Themis is asking our opinion of him like you might interview another person that's had interactions with a suspect. (Him being Themis's coworker means that Themis would like him to be innocent, but he's trying to get a fuller picture of the problem.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by tokinokanatae View Post
    Luckily the WoL isn't enough of an asshole to continually dunk on some kid that's done nothing but be kind and helpful to us. (Gee, why didn't get get an option to tell Ga Bu to piss off?)

    The reason we're given a variety of responses to Lahabrea and not Themis is that Lahabrea is part of what we're investigating. The location is under his purview and Themis is asking our opinion of him like you might interview another person that's had interactions with a suspect. (Him being Themis's coworker means that Themis would like him to be innocent, but he's trying to get a fuller picture of the problem.)
    Oh, I know. But I'd like the chance to throw some stones at Elidibus once we'd confirmed that was who we were talking to. The fact he hasn't committed horrible crimes yet doesn't mean I don't hate him for doing them in my past which is his future. (Time travel's funky like that.) Let me hold a grudge!

    Spin it as being mad that he was dishonest if you need, people seem to really get up in arms about that for some reason.
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    Last edited by Cleretic; 08-27-2022 at 03:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrotica View Post
    I still have no clue what Athena did wrong. She experimented on her son. How? Was there torture? Just some aether samples?


    (Spoilered for size)

    Young Erichthonios being in that position implies being restrained in some way, and rather uncomfortably at that.

    Adult Eriththonios has no recollection of this, or indeed any experimentation that Athena allegedly did to him. He didn't even know Athena wanted to do anything to him. Therefore, Erichthonios must have been unconscious or unaware during this scene.

    The conclusion is Athena was attempting to experiment on Erichthonios without his knowledge. Which violates scientific ethics.
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    Just when I thought lore forum can't be more braindead, threads like this proves me wrong...

    "can't see Athena is wrong!!"
    *Woman literally experimenting with her son and doesn't care about his well being at all*

    You do you buddy
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