SE, please listen to the constant feedback about the glamour system

[Arzalis]

That's a very different situation as it only requires the art team to put in extra work. They didn't even want to add those races, but there was overwhelming demand. They never promised it would be perfect and it's got a long way to go before it comes close.


Inventory management is where they make a lot of their money.


When you pay for something like this, you buy it as is. You signed an agreement to that effect. You don't get to make ridiculous demands and have them follow through to the letter.

A) It's a live service. We pay a subscription fee, of which some part goes to fund active development of the game. They're under no obligation to acknowledge anything we say, but we are under no obligation to continue paying either.

B) There's nothing ridiculous being asked for. FFXIV is not run by a small company by any means. I wouldn't dare say it'd be easy, but they can absolutely do it. They simply don't prioritize it.

C) I'm criticizing the developers for their priorities and their lack of keeping up with their competition. I'm not "demanding" anything.

D) You're incorrect about it only being art assets. New races have a ton of considerations.


All that said, I don't understand your goal here, honestly. You readily admit these things would be nice to have, but then feel the need to tell everyone else in this thread they're wrong for asking for it. You complain about people wanting to voice their concerns (when it's what they were actually told to do mind you), yet still feel compelled to view and comment in the threads that contain the things you supposedly hate. You're literally in every single one of these threads arguing with people. Do you just like arguing for the sake of arguing? If the game itself is satisfactory to you, why are you even here all the time instead of playing it?

I'm actually kinda curious how things work if all goes as you want and nobody expresses anything they want from the game. Do you expect the developers to be mind readers? To magically know when people have concerns about things? You think people will just blindly pay a subscription fee and buy the latest expansion if this game falls far behind it's contemporaries?

If they want to support this game for another decade, as alleged, they will absolutely need to make changes to keep up with other MMOs. The glamour system is part of that. FFXIV has built up a ton of (well deserved imo) good will over the years that allowed people to overlook significant issues, but the problem with relying on good will is that it eventually runs out. This game will not last another decade on good will alone.

[Flaws]

It's great to see that more and more people are talking about the glamour system. Lifting the role glamour restrictions and letting us cross-role glam gear is the most logical way to go forward for this game considering the way jobs are designed aesthetically and gear is being designed for them each patch. Most of the new 6.2 gear is yet another prime example of why the restrictions must be lifted as soon as possible. Generally, having a collections log similar to WoW's would be one of the best additions to this game but that mustn't overshadow the importance of lifting restrictions. I would in fact argue that lifting the restrictions should be top priority in terms of glamour updates as it is still more important.

Also, as someone who's been active in threads about glamour on the forums and on Reddit over the past half a year+ and has seen the same 3 people speaking against the idea, trying to come up with technical reasons for why it cannot happen (pulling it out of their *** 10/10 times), "white knighting" or just simply trolling and has dealt with them - I would say it is better to just not give naysayers too much time of day at this point because not only are they very few and far between, they have no arguments whatsoever and the players who wish for this change are the vast overwhelming majority anyway (we even had Zepla cover this and support the idea very recently). A few bad apples won't change much in the grand scheme of things if SQE are willing to listen.

[Tigerlilley]

A) It's a live service. We pay a subscription fee, of which some part goes to fund active development of the game. They're under no obligation to acknowledge anything we say, but we are under no obligation to continue paying either.

B) There's nothing ridiculous being asked for. FFXIV is not run by a small company by any means. I wouldn't dare say it'd be easy, but they can absolutely do it. They simply don't prioritize it.

C) I'm criticizing the developers for their priorities and their lack of keeping up with their competition. I'm not "demanding" anything.

D) You're incorrect about it only being art assets. New races have a ton of considerations.


All that said, I don't understand your goal here, honestly. You readily admit these things would be nice to have, but then feel the need to tell everyone else in this thread they're wrong for asking for it. You complain about people wanting to voice their concerns (when it's what they were actually told to do mind you), yet still feel compelled to view and comment in the threads that contain the things you supposedly hate. You're literally in every single one of these threads arguing with people. Do you just like arguing for the sake of arguing? If the game itself is satisfactory to you, why are you even here all the time instead of playing it?

I'm actually kinda curious how things work if all goes as you want and nobody expresses anything they want from the game. Do you expect the developers to be mind readers? To magically know when people have concerns about things? You think people will just blindly pay a subscription fee and buy the latest expansion if this game falls far behind it's contemporaries?

If they want to support this game for another decade, as alleged, they will absolutely need to make changes to keep up with other MMOs. The glamour system is part of that. FFXIV has built up a ton of (well deserved imo) good will over the years that allowed people to overlook significant issues, but the problem with relying on good will is that it eventually runs out. This game will not last another decade on good will alone.

[Deveryn]

A) It's a live service. We pay a subscription fee, of which some part goes to fund active development of the game. They're under no obligation to acknowledge anything we say, but we are under no obligation to continue paying either.

B) There's nothing ridiculous being asked for. FFXIV is not run by a small company by any means. I wouldn't dare say it'd be easy, but they can absolutely do it. They simply don't prioritize it.

C) I'm criticizing the developers for their priorities and their lack of keeping up with their competition. I'm not "demanding" anything.

D) You're incorrect about it only being art assets. New races have a ton of considerations.


All that said, I don't understand your goal here, honestly. You readily admit these things would be nice to have, but then feel the need to tell everyone else in this thread they're wrong for asking for it. You complain about people wanting to voice their concerns (when it's what they were actually told to do mind you), yet still feel compelled to view and comment in the threads that contain the things you supposedly hate. You're literally in every single one of these threads arguing with people. Do you just like arguing for the sake of arguing? If the game itself is satisfactory to you, why are you even here all the time instead of playing it?

I'm actually kinda curious how things work if all goes as you want and nobody expresses anything they want from the game. Do you expect the developers to be mind readers? To magically know when people have concerns about things? You think people will just blindly pay a subscription fee and buy the latest expansion if this game falls far behind it's contemporaries?

If they want to support this game for another decade, as alleged, they will absolutely need to make changes to keep up with other MMOs. The glamour system is part of that. FFXIV has built up a ton of (well deserved imo) good will over the years that allowed people to overlook significant issues, but the problem with relying on good will is that it eventually runs out. This game will not last another decade on good will alone.

I'm not trying to keep people from expressing opinions. That's clearly what you're trying to do lobbing all this nonsense my way.



I just don't see what all these threads are going to do. I wasn't going to be responsible for bringing this back to the front, but clearly the sheep have to come bleat in the echo chamber. You question my involvement in these threads and it's very hypocritical. Every time you point a finger, you have 3 pointing right back at you.



There's only so much that can be done in so much time. In the meantime, consider consolidating your efforts so they can better see just how much this matters.

[Tigerlilley]

I'm not trying to keep people from expressing opinions. That's clearly what you're trying to do lobbing all this nonsense my way.

There's only so much that can be done in so much time. In the meantime, consider consolidating your efforts so they can better see just how much this matters.

You are in every single thread aruging with the OP on any topic, often second to post on a new thread. You are literally trying to gate people expressing opinions and arguing for the sake of arguing even if its a topic you support. If you don't like people giving FFXIV game related feedback on the FFXIV game related feedback forum, then why are you here?

[Darthgummibear]

Not everyone agrees SE should be spending developer resources on changing the glamour system.
Everyone I play with is perfectly fine with it.
Myself, I'd like to be able to store dyes in the chest for application to the glamour plates, but that's just a QoL suggestion that I'm not salty about lacking.

Just because there are a small number of persistent complainers about something in the forums, that doesn't mean that most of the player base isn't happy with it.

And some of the requests for changes to the glamour system, like unlimited storage for gear, are game-breakingly stupid. SE is not going to implement that, for reasons that have been pointed out many times. The complaints of people who pig-headedly refuse to understand that shouldn't be taken seriously.

Behold ladies and gentlemen, the perfect customer.

[Tlamila]

Behold ladies and gentlemen, the perfect customer.

Not even. A business needs feedback, even more so a gaming company. Without feedback they wouldn't know what it's best to improve etc. A customer who doesn't give feedback because they think giving feedback is being mean is pretty useless apart from the money they give. They don't help at all the company grow and that's so counterproductive,

[Silverbane]

Behold ladies and gentlemen, the perfect customer.

I just laugh when people, unable to refute what I post, attack me instead.
Because why would they resort to posts that are exclusively ad hominem attacks, except that they had nothing else to offer? Nothing to post except to make the thread about me?

But I expect no better from the Internet.
After all, not many people have been taught how to construct a rational argument.
And no one is born with that skill.

[Aluja89]

When someone has no perspective:

I'm not trying to keep people from expressing opinions. That's clearly what you're trying to do lobbing all this nonsense my way.



I just don't see what all these threads are going to do. I wasn't going to be responsible for bringing this back to the front, but clearly the sheep have to come bleat in the echo chamber. You question my involvement in these threads and it's very hypocritical. Every time you point a finger, you have 3 pointing right back at you.



There's only so much that can be done in so much time. In the meantime, consider consolidating your efforts so they can better see just how much this matters.

[Misplaced_Marbles]

Not even. A business needs feedback, even more so a gaming company. Without feedback they wouldn't know what it's best to improve etc. A customer who doesn't give feedback because they think giving feedback is being mean is pretty useless apart from the money they give. They don't help at all the company grow and that's so counterproductive,

Except since the average gamer consumer is not just dumb as a brick but also utterly incapable of critical thinking, they don't need feedback to sell cheaply made digital trash for exorbitant proces, and there's no need to improve the game when you have people whos entire personality is tied to a game and their player character.

Also, basically every company that has a successfull game as a service game in their pocket uses it to milk money out of idiots that they funnel to other projects. Maybe when something better eventually comes along and people start leaving for greener pastures they'll finally try some damage control as they attempt to keep their playerbase around, but until then, it is what it is.