SE, please listen to the constant feedback about the glamour system

[Silverbane]

And we all saw how bad Cataclysm was due to devoting time to rewriting the engine. Would you, or any of these other people, be okay with having little to no content in an expansion release to get a new engine?

Besides, the idea that one of the world's most succesful games needs to rewrite its engine is pretty stupid anyway.

Yoshi-p has said he'd like to create a new MMO from scratch.
Maybe after he's proven himself able to head two games at once with FFXVI, he'll get his chance with FFXVII. I'd rather have that than have them bring FFXIV content release to a halt just to so the new game can be FFXIV instead of FFXVII.

I don't mind starting from scratch on the new game, as opposed to carrying all my FFXIV stuff into it. That latter desire is probably part of the reson some people prefer a rewrite to a new game.

[Deveryn]

People said the same thing about Hrothgar ears, Male Viera, etc. and here we are.

When I pay for something, I don't just settle for mediocrity. Especially when I know the devs can do better. People do have unrealistic demands sometimes, but this isn't one of them.

That's a very different situation as it only requires the art team to put in extra work. They didn't even want to add those races, but there was overwhelming demand. They never promised it would be perfect and it's got a long way to go before it comes close.


Inventory management is where they make a lot of their money.


When you pay for something like this, you buy it as is. You signed an agreement to that effect. You don't get to make ridiculous demands and have them follow through to the letter.

[Silverbane]

All I said was "I want this thing", and you're the one being hostile towards people who want that thing.

Another lie. You said " there's a lot more people that would rather a more comprehensive log system than what we have now." That's a direct quote, not a paraphrase: unlike you, I don't try to deceive people regarding what other people posted by putting supposed "paraphrasing" inside quotation marks.

So if I seem hostile to people who are obviously telling lies ...

Later:

And yes, there IS a lot of people that want a more comprehensive log system ...

Now you are trying to deceive people about what you yourself posted. You wrote:

"And honestly there's a lot more people that would rather a more comprehensive log system than what we have now" (emphasis added)

which is an entirely different statement. It's the difference between saying, for example "a lot of people voted for Clinton" (officially true) and "a lot more people voted for Clinton than Trump" (officially false).

You do know what this concept they call "truth" is, don't you?

[TheDustyOne]

that lets the majority of its users dictate what features are added is committing suicide

Happy? Just because the wording isn't the same doesn't mean it can't contain the same meaning. That's what paraphrasing is. And yes, there IS a lot of people that want a more comprehensive log system, we wouldn't have a bunch of threads with lots of replies if that wasn't true, where's the lie in that? You are being hostile about it. The first post you had in this thread pointed to people that want a log system as a group of complainers, your first reply to me was taking some personal offence over the word "we".

For anyone else that frequents the forum, is Silverbane normally like this? Or did I just find them on a bad day?

[Siddiax]

Happy? Just because the wording isn't the same doesn't mean it can't contain the same meaning. That's what paraphrasing is. And yes, there IS a lot of people that want a more comprehensive log system, we wouldn't have a bunch of threads with lots of replies if that wasn't true, where's the lie in that? You are being hostile about it. The first post you had in this thread pointed to people that want a log system as a group of complainers, your first reply to me was taking some personal offence over the word "we".

For anyone else that frequents the forum, is Silverbane normally like this? Or did I just find them on a bad day?

Silverbane has a strange obsession with defending one of the worst systems FFXIV has to offer. So yes, this is typical.


In any case, I'd say it's a matter of time for the glamour dresser to be reworked. Most likely with 7.0 or its patches, as that expansion already seems to be heavier on the reworks.

I'm looking forward to it. That and the removal of the role restrictions of course.

[Silverbane]

Silverbane has a strange obsession with defending one of the worst systems the game has. So yes, this is the usual.

Nah, I just dislike letting charlatans, liars, and the unredeemably deluded/ignorant run rampant, and the group of posters demanding the glamour system change has a high population of all of those.

[TheDustyOne]

Now you are trying to deceive people about what you yourself posted. You wrote:
"And honestly there's a lot more people that would rather a more comprehensive log system than what we have now"

The "than what we have now" is in regards to the current glamour system we have now compared to a log system, you're the one twisting the truth here. At best I could've worded it better, but you're the one spouting lies here and putting words in my mouth.

I'm done, you never intended to argue in good faith and Siddiax just confirmed it for me that you're not worth my time.

[Siddiax]

Nah, I just dislike letting charlatans, liars, and the unredeemably deluded/ignorant run rampant, and the group of posters demanding the glamour system change has a high population of all of those.

Who are you, the forum police ?

Do you realise how sad you look arguing against hundreds (much more outside the forums) who wish for the rework of a lacking system ?

[Silverbane]

Do you realise how sad you look arguing against hundreds (much more outside the forums) who wish for the rework of a lacking system ?

Damn, HUNDREDS you say? Out of the MILLIONS of players out there?
That's pretty weak support for your side, especially since unhappy people are more likely to publicly complain than happy ones are.

But if you want to accuse me of being an iconoclast (look it up) I'll gladly accept the honor.

[Siddiax]

Damn, HUNDREDS you say? Out of the MILLIONS of players out there?
That's pretty weak support for your side, especially since unhappy people are more likely to publicly complain than happy ones are.

Damn, I thought you couldn't top your ridiculous attempts at arguments. My apologies for not surveying every single FFXIV player on the planet.

Here's the thing though - "weak" support is better than no support.

Where are the people sharing your opinion I wonder ?