SE, please listen to the constant feedback about the glamour system

[Arzalis]

I'm aware of what WoW can do and it's still managing so much less than XIV would and on top of that people want the job restrictions removed. People need to take a good honest look at everything and realize it may be some time before this change comes, if ever.


Again, I'm NOT AGAINST any kind of change. I (and others) just accept the reality of the situation. The dresser was an afterthought, coming out 4 years ago in the middle of stormblood. Simple math (they just lost revenue on people with at least 2 additional retainers for glam storage) and observation of their tendencies towards this feature show the truth of the matter. This update just dropped and they already knew some people wouldn't be happy with it. No amount of recycled threads is going to change anything.

People said the same thing about Hrothgar ears, Male Viera, etc. and here we are.

When I pay for something, I don't just settle for mediocrity. Especially when I know the devs can do better. People do have unrealistic demands sometimes, but this isn't one of them.

[DPZ2]

People do have unrealistic demands sometimes, but this isn't one of them.

You must have read the posts here about the "can't get there from here using the current engine" reported by people quoting Yoshi P. The demand, in this case, is unrealistic, despite what you appear to believe.

If you want to wait for them to rewrite the current engine, fine. They can incorporate what you desire then. That's pretty much what happened in WoW. The original game engine would never have worked for Transmog. They rewrote the entire thing ... the expansion was called Cataclysm. Transmog appeared after that.

[DragonFlyy]

You must have read the posts here about the "can't get there from here using the current engine" reported by people quoting Yoshi P. The demand, in this case, is unrealistic, despite what you appear to believe.

If you want to wait for them to rewrite the current engine, fine. They can incorporate what you desire then. That's pretty much what happened in WoW. The original game engine would never have worked for Transmog. They rewrote the entire thing ... the expansion was called Cataclysm. Transmog appeared after that.

And we all saw how bad Cataclysm was due to devoting time to rewriting the engine. Would you, or any of these other people, be okay with having little to no content in an expansion release to get a new engine?

[Silverbane]

And we all saw how bad Cataclysm was due to devoting time to rewriting the engine. Would you, or any of these other people, be okay with having little to no content in an expansion release to get a new engine?

Besides, the idea that one of the world's most succesful games needs to rewrite its engine is pretty stupid anyway.

Yoshi-p has said he'd like to create a new MMO from scratch.
Maybe after he's proven himself able to head two games at once with FFXVI, he'll get his chance with FFXVII. I'd rather have that than have them bring FFXIV content release to a halt just to so the new game can be FFXIV instead of FFXVII.

I don't mind starting from scratch on the new game, as opposed to carrying all my FFXIV stuff into it. That latter desire is probably part of the reson some people prefer a rewrite to a new game.

[Silverbane]

When I pay for something, I don't just settle for mediocrity.

Wrong. When you pay for something, you're paying for what the seller offers and nothing more, not what you wish they would offer.
Too many people here don't understand that.

[Deveryn]

People said the same thing about Hrothgar ears, Male Viera, etc. and here we are.

When I pay for something, I don't just settle for mediocrity. Especially when I know the devs can do better. People do have unrealistic demands sometimes, but this isn't one of them.

That's a very different situation as it only requires the art team to put in extra work. They didn't even want to add those races, but there was overwhelming demand. They never promised it would be perfect and it's got a long way to go before it comes close.


Inventory management is where they make a lot of their money.


When you pay for something like this, you buy it as is. You signed an agreement to that effect. You don't get to make ridiculous demands and have them follow through to the letter.

[Arzalis]

That's a very different situation as it only requires the art team to put in extra work. They didn't even want to add those races, but there was overwhelming demand. They never promised it would be perfect and it's got a long way to go before it comes close.


Inventory management is where they make a lot of their money.


When you pay for something like this, you buy it as is. You signed an agreement to that effect. You don't get to make ridiculous demands and have them follow through to the letter.

A) It's a live service. We pay a subscription fee, of which some part goes to fund active development of the game. They're under no obligation to acknowledge anything we say, but we are under no obligation to continue paying either.

B) There's nothing ridiculous being asked for. FFXIV is not run by a small company by any means. I wouldn't dare say it'd be easy, but they can absolutely do it. They simply don't prioritize it.

C) I'm criticizing the developers for their priorities and their lack of keeping up with their competition. I'm not "demanding" anything.

D) You're incorrect about it only being art assets. New races have a ton of considerations.


All that said, I don't understand your goal here, honestly. You readily admit these things would be nice to have, but then feel the need to tell everyone else in this thread they're wrong for asking for it. You complain about people wanting to voice their concerns (when it's what they were actually told to do mind you), yet still feel compelled to view and comment in the threads that contain the things you supposedly hate. You're literally in every single one of these threads arguing with people. Do you just like arguing for the sake of arguing? If the game itself is satisfactory to you, why are you even here all the time instead of playing it?

I'm actually kinda curious how things work if all goes as you want and nobody expresses anything they want from the game. Do you expect the developers to be mind readers? To magically know when people have concerns about things? You think people will just blindly pay a subscription fee and buy the latest expansion if this game falls far behind it's contemporaries?

If they want to support this game for another decade, as alleged, they will absolutely need to make changes to keep up with other MMOs. The glamour system is part of that. FFXIV has built up a ton of (well deserved imo) good will over the years that allowed people to overlook significant issues, but the problem with relying on good will is that it eventually runs out. This game will not last another decade on good will alone.

[Tigerlilley]

A) It's a live service. We pay a subscription fee, of which some part goes to fund active development of the game. They're under no obligation to acknowledge anything we say, but we are under no obligation to continue paying either.

B) There's nothing ridiculous being asked for. FFXIV is not run by a small company by any means. I wouldn't dare say it'd be easy, but they can absolutely do it. They simply don't prioritize it.

C) I'm criticizing the developers for their priorities and their lack of keeping up with their competition. I'm not "demanding" anything.

D) You're incorrect about it only being art assets. New races have a ton of considerations.


All that said, I don't understand your goal here, honestly. You readily admit these things would be nice to have, but then feel the need to tell everyone else in this thread they're wrong for asking for it. You complain about people wanting to voice their concerns (when it's what they were actually told to do mind you), yet still feel compelled to view and comment in the threads that contain the things you supposedly hate. You're literally in every single one of these threads arguing with people. Do you just like arguing for the sake of arguing? If the game itself is satisfactory to you, why are you even here all the time instead of playing it?

I'm actually kinda curious how things work if all goes as you want and nobody expresses anything they want from the game. Do you expect the developers to be mind readers? To magically know when people have concerns about things? You think people will just blindly pay a subscription fee and buy the latest expansion if this game falls far behind it's contemporaries?

If they want to support this game for another decade, as alleged, they will absolutely need to make changes to keep up with other MMOs. The glamour system is part of that. FFXIV has built up a ton of (well deserved imo) good will over the years that allowed people to overlook significant issues, but the problem with relying on good will is that it eventually runs out. This game will not last another decade on good will alone.

[Deveryn]

A) It's a live service. We pay a subscription fee, of which some part goes to fund active development of the game. They're under no obligation to acknowledge anything we say, but we are under no obligation to continue paying either.

B) There's nothing ridiculous being asked for. FFXIV is not run by a small company by any means. I wouldn't dare say it'd be easy, but they can absolutely do it. They simply don't prioritize it.

C) I'm criticizing the developers for their priorities and their lack of keeping up with their competition. I'm not "demanding" anything.

D) You're incorrect about it only being art assets. New races have a ton of considerations.


All that said, I don't understand your goal here, honestly. You readily admit these things would be nice to have, but then feel the need to tell everyone else in this thread they're wrong for asking for it. You complain about people wanting to voice their concerns (when it's what they were actually told to do mind you), yet still feel compelled to view and comment in the threads that contain the things you supposedly hate. You're literally in every single one of these threads arguing with people. Do you just like arguing for the sake of arguing? If the game itself is satisfactory to you, why are you even here all the time instead of playing it?

I'm actually kinda curious how things work if all goes as you want and nobody expresses anything they want from the game. Do you expect the developers to be mind readers? To magically know when people have concerns about things? You think people will just blindly pay a subscription fee and buy the latest expansion if this game falls far behind it's contemporaries?

If they want to support this game for another decade, as alleged, they will absolutely need to make changes to keep up with other MMOs. The glamour system is part of that. FFXIV has built up a ton of (well deserved imo) good will over the years that allowed people to overlook significant issues, but the problem with relying on good will is that it eventually runs out. This game will not last another decade on good will alone.

I'm not trying to keep people from expressing opinions. That's clearly what you're trying to do lobbing all this nonsense my way.



I just don't see what all these threads are going to do. I wasn't going to be responsible for bringing this back to the front, but clearly the sheep have to come bleat in the echo chamber. You question my involvement in these threads and it's very hypocritical. Every time you point a finger, you have 3 pointing right back at you.



There's only so much that can be done in so much time. In the meantime, consider consolidating your efforts so they can better see just how much this matters.

[Tigerlilley]

I'm not trying to keep people from expressing opinions. That's clearly what you're trying to do lobbing all this nonsense my way.

There's only so much that can be done in so much time. In the meantime, consider consolidating your efforts so they can better see just how much this matters.

You are in every single thread aruging with the OP on any topic, often second to post on a new thread. You are literally trying to gate people expressing opinions and arguing for the sake of arguing even if its a topic you support. If you don't like people giving FFXIV game related feedback on the FFXIV game related feedback forum, then why are you here?