Revelations from Patch 6.2: Buried Memories

[dragonflie]

Regarding Abyssos:

Somehow Themis (Elidibus) and Lahabrea will have to loose their memories like Emet in the final raid parts, or they would remember us in the later timeline, no? Maybe if Pandemonium returns home that will cause the memory wipe, but who knows at this point

Abyssos 5char

I can see us maybe meeting Lahabrea again since he died on the Source (and hints are that Claudien is grabbing the trapped crazy Lahabrea crystal.) Though which version he'll end up remains to be seen. As for Elidibus, he died on the First, and Hydaelyn had to actually ferry the souls over from there to the Source (as she did for Minfillia and Emet). So if he does appear, they are gonna need to explain how he did that.

[RyuDragnier]

Abyssos 5char

I can see us maybe meeting Lahabrea again since he died on the Source (and hints are that Claudien is grabbing the trapped crazy Lahabrea crystal.) Though which version he'll end up remains to be seen. As for Elidibus, he died on the First, and Hydaelyn had to actually ferry the souls over from there to the Source (as she did for Minfillia and Emet). So if he does appear, they are gonna need to explain how he did that.

There may be an easy way to do that, that may be hinting to the main threat for Arc 2.

Hydaelyn kept control of the Lifestream to help keep things Sundered, while Zodiark kept control over the planet's aether currents to keep Meteion out. Remember, when Zodiark died, the aether currents changed, allowing Meteion through. Even the FSH questline mentions how the fishing currents themselves started going crazy after that event, with fish ending up in places they had never been at before. So what happens with Hydaelyn dead? The Lifestream is going to be acting up (like how we're seeing Pandaemonium in there now), and it's possible the shards will slowly start getting pulled towards the Source to recombine. Should Elidibus's soul show up, that will be the clearest indicator that things are going to slowly get worse, a LOT worse.

[sidurgu-12]

There may be an easy way to do that, that may be hinting to the main threat for Arc 2.

Hydaelyn kept control of the Lifestream to help keep things Sundered, while Zodiark kept control over the planet's aether currents to keep Meteion out. Remember, when Zodiark died, the aether currents changed, allowing Meteion through. Even the FSH questline mentions how the fishing currents themselves started going crazy after that event, with fish ending up in places they had never been at before. So what happens with Hydaelyn dead? The Lifestream is going to be acting up (like how we're seeing Pandaemonium in there now), and it's possible the shards will slowly start getting pulled towards the Source to recombine. Should Elidibus's soul show up, that will be the clearest indicator that things are going to slowly get worse, a LOT worse.

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but hydaelyn wasn't controling the lifestream. once sundered they just naturally stayed divided.

[RyuDragnier]

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but hydaelyn wasn't controling the lifestream. once sundered they just naturally stayed divided.

Are we 100% sure of that? It's never been fully stated.

[Cilia]

Are we 100% sure of that? It's never been fully stated.

False until proven true.

The only thing Hydaelyn needed to constantly expend energy for was maintaining the seal on Zodiark. No mention of needing to keep the dimensional barriers up, or that her death would cause the reflections to recombine with the Source.

Really not sure where this idea's coming from?

[RyuDragnier]

False until proven true.

The only thing Hydaelyn needed to constantly expend energy for was maintaining the seal on Zodiark. No mention of needing to keep the dimensional barriers up, or that her death would cause the reflections to recombine with the Source.

Really not sure where this idea's coming from?

Let me paint the picture.

The Studium Alchemist questline mentions at the end a prophecy.
"The serpent that sleeps in the deep slowly sheds its skin of old.

Eventually, the serpent devours its own tail, and renders new flesh using its own. The pain felt with cause the earth to quake, the mountains to crumble, and the rivers to run dry. Thus, seven wedges must be driven into its back."

There's also the Studium FSH questline outright pointing out how Zodiark's death has caused the aether currents all over the world to start changing (possibly to their original form). Zodiark originally altered the flow of the world's aether currents to prevent The Final Days from continuing, something that was thought to be permanent, but his death has proved was not. We can infer the same thing about Hydaelyn and the Sundering.

There's also the fact that Minfillia's soul appears in the dungeon before Hydaelyn, despite the fact that her soul passed on while on the First. This means there's a link in the Lifestreams of the various shards and the Source, likely done by Hydaelyn since she was in the Lifestream the entire time (among all shards as well since she Sundered herself along with everything else).

With Hydaelyn's death, we're also starting to see very bizarre things happening with the Lifestream that didn't happen before. The soul crystal leading to Pandaemonium showing up when it did to Claudien now instead of it appearing long ago, and the (possibly) Unsundered Pandaemonium itself suddenly APPEARING in the Lifestream in the present day, meaning it was in the Lifestream the whole time, but likely hidden by Hydaelyn.

There are too many hints of an upcoming disaster and bizarre things happening, enough to infer that losing both Zodiark and Hydaelyn will start (and already has started) causing us a lot of problems in the upcoming expansions.

[sidurgu-12]

Let me paint the picture.

The Studium Alchemist questline mentions at the end a prophecy.
"The serpent that sleeps in the deep slowly sheds its skin of old.

Eventually, the serpent devours its own tail, and renders new flesh using its own. The pain felt with cause the earth to quake, the mountains to crumble, and the rivers to run dry. Thus, seven wedges must be driven into its back."

There's also the Studium FSH questline outright pointing out how Zodiark's death has caused the aether currents all over the world to start changing (possibly to their original form). Zodiark originally altered the flow of the world's aether currents to prevent The Final Days from continuing, something that was thought to be permanent, but his death has proved was not. We can infer the same thing about Hydaelyn and the Sundering.

There's also the fact that Minfillia's soul appears in the dungeon before Hydaelyn, despite the fact that her soul passed on while on the First. This means there's a link in the Lifestreams of the various shards and the Source, likely done by Hydaelyn since she was in the Lifestream the entire time (among all shards as well since she Sundered herself along with everything else).

With Hydaelyn's death, we're also starting to see very bizarre things happening with the Lifestream that didn't happen before. The soul crystal leading to Pandaemonium showing up when it did to Claudien now instead of it appearing long ago, and the (possibly) Unsundered Pandaemonium itself suddenly APPEARING in the Lifestream in the present day, meaning it was in the Lifestream the whole time, but likely hidden by Hydaelyn.

There are too many hints of an upcoming disaster and bizarre things happening, enough to infer that losing both Zodiark and Hydaelyn will start (and already has started) causing us a lot of problems in the upcoming expansions.

hydaelyn brought minfillia and hades souls back to the source.
zodiark protected the world by artificially stimulating the worlds aether thus preventing stagnation. with his death that disappears. the currents are changing because of this.

[Cilia]

MSQ / Troia

I'm pretty sure y'all are overthinking Beatrice, or are at least on the wrong track.

She's a reference to Dante Alighieri's Divine Comedy. That's in conjunction with the Four Archfiends (Scarmiglione, Barbariccia, Cagnazzo, and Rubicante), Ciriatto, and Farfarello (all members of the Malebranche that guard Bolgia Five of the Eighth Circle of Hell). Seems they're going with Divine Comedy references this time around, or at least ones to the most famous Inferno part.

Went through Troia on Explorer mode; there's only one clear portrait in the one room, and it bears no resemblance to Beatrix I can make out.

The terms "eidolon" and "memoria" do bring IX to mind, but "eidolon" was used in XIII as well, and continuing the Divine Comedy reference "memoria" is just Italian for memory. The term "contramemoria" translates to "countermemory," just for the curious.

Let me paint the picture.

It's worth 357 gil.

As others have stated, Venat / Hydaelyn specifically ferried Minfilia and Emet-Selch's souls back from the First so they (or at least the latter) could play their parts in Endwalker.

There's a lot going on with Pandaemonium we still don't have answers to; saying Venat / Hydaelyn was hiding it down there the whole 12,500 years for no discernible purpose is jumping to a conclusion. We don't know who made the original memory stone that led us there, what's on the paired stone Claudien was chasing, why the Lahabrea we knew was so much more like Hephaistos than the austere man we met in Abyssos, what importance Erichthonios had to Athena's experiments, or why Pandaemonium's shown up in the Aetherial Sea in the present day. We don't know any of this. "Because Hydaelyn" is... a really hasty conclusion.

Also as stated by others, Zodiark was artificially stimulating the celestial aether currents to prevent the Final Days. We don't know what mechanism Hydaelyn used to sunder the planet beyond "that was her power," but if a world recombination was in the cards I'm pretty sure more would be hinting at it than some gatherer / crafter quests.

Just my opinion.

P.S. the 357 gil is just a reference to how much the new Scion portraits you can buy from an artist after completing the 6.2 Tataru quest with the Redbills resell for. It's not meant to suggest your opinion has low value.

[KageTokage]

There may be an easy way to do that, that may be hinting to the main threat for Arc 2.

Hydaelyn kept control of the Lifestream to help keep things Sundered, while Zodiark kept control over the planet's aether currents to keep Meteion out. Remember, when Zodiark died, the aether currents changed, allowing Meteion through. Even the FSH questline mentions how the fishing currents themselves started going crazy after that event, with fish ending up in places they had never been at before. So what happens with Hydaelyn dead? The Lifestream is going to be acting up (like how we're seeing Pandaemonium in there now), and it's possible the shards will slowly start getting pulled towards the Source to recombine. Should Elidibus's soul show up, that will be the clearest indicator that things are going to slowly get worse, a LOT worse.

There is that ominous Lifesteam-related prophecy in the Studium quests that I'm strongly feeling is going to be the event that "totally changes the story" in 6.5.

There's certainly been enough world-shaking, existential disturbances as of late to have thrown off the natural order in some terrible way.