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    Na'mira Yarhu
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    we're not discussing if its bad or not... but about how bad it is
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    Renard Lefeuvre
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    The reason that it's easier to report in English is that we actually have no evidence that the player ever even said what the poster interpreted them to have said. I strongly doubt they said "stupid foreigner" and "go home" in English; context is important, and it sounds as though the poster interpreted the words in translation in the harshest possible light (which obviously makes them sound like the victim even though they were demonstrably griefing the other players).

    I do not think it's acceptable to say those things to a foreigner in English, and if they were actually said then I don't think "go home" is acceptable in Japanese either, and that kind of bullying would be reportable in JP too, but there was obvious provocation here and reacting with even more xenophobia (ignoring the differences between cultures/language structure in favor of American interpretations) isn't the answer. If they just said "jeez, it's been three wipes and you're not listening, silly EN-only person, please leave and make a learning party" then it hits very differently to the version of events we're getting.

    Screenshots, please.
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  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    It's very easy to mean the same thing with both terms, the difference is rarely actually relevant. This is because racism is inherently a contradictory concept, only designed to divide people who would otherwise have no problem interacting with each other. You are just arguing semantics.

    Depending on who you ask at what point of history, germans werent considered white.
    Neither were Irish. In America, that is.

    I'm Swedish, and we don't like foreigners much here, either. Fact: not having a Swedish sounding name automatically makes it harder to get a job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolwosh View Post
    Lots of weebs here defending bad behaviour. Nothing ever changes
    so is taking a one sided testimony as the absolute truth. Nothing ever changes.
    Can't say it happened or didn't happen. Since that is all we have
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    Deveryn Ev'liarsh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lustre View Post
    I leave the forums for a few days and come back to see people defending legit racism. Nice

    You know you could've said that without quoting me, but I really have to ask now who the hell do you think you are throwing around an accusation like that? You don't know me one bit aside from what opinions on the game you may have seen. Don't you dare come in here and start accusing me of being racist. I live in America. I know what racism is. Racism is my Asian American friends continuing to be harassed and physically / verbally attacked over allegations about the Chinese bringing covid over. Whatever this player is experienced is absolutely not the same, but very much a product of that western thinking.
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  6. #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    It's very easy to mean the same thing with both terms, the difference is rarely actually relevant. This is because racism is inherently a contradictory concept, only designed to divide people who would otherwise have no problem interacting with each other. You are just arguing semantics.

    Depending on who you ask at what point of history, germans werent considered white.
    It's not the same thing though. One is based strictly on race (i.e. skin color, physical features, cultural stereotypes) while the other has nothing to do with race and is just an overall negative bias towards a country. There is a defining line and it's important to keep it so terms like these are used in proper context and not just as a defense mechanism.

    Again, both are not okay but it is important to keep the distinction and educate others on the differences.
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    Last edited by LianaThorne; 08-24-2022 at 09:31 PM.

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    Some people act like this doesnt happen in EU/NA servers.
    You get removed by PF groups when underperforming or vote kicked when you're the reason for an entire wipe circus. Doesnt matter if some of those JP players got mad or started insulting. It happens in any language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LianaThorne View Post
    It's not the same thing though. One is based strictly on race (i.e. skin color, physical features, cultural stereotypes) while the other has nothing to do with race and is just an overall negative bias towards a country. There is a defining line and it's important to keep it so terms like these are used in proper context and not just as a defense mechanism.

    Again, both are not okay but it is important to keep the distinction and educate others on the differences.
    Racism is always based in xenophobia. The concept of different races has only been created to make people xenophobic. It's the same mindset. That's why it's rarely relevant to make this distinction.
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    racist

    wow so much anger and hate when i party i don't say anything just do my job as best i can and at end lot commend the healer or tank or dps and leave.
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  10. #70
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    Gabrielle Beausejour
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    As a Japanese player, I can almost guarantee they didn't say what the OP is stating, as such things just aren't said in public chat using those words. We can't know what they really said until we see the actual chat. I mean, have you seen how Google translate butchers or totally misrepresents some languages? DF is always, always used when you know the fight and unless it explicitly says 'practice', you're expected to know the fight. If OP was kicked and there was no 'practice' listed (is that even possible in DF?), then they were in the wrong joining DF without knowing the fight or having practiced in PF like normal.
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