Removed from Ex4 by Japanese group. Racist.

[DixieBellOCE]

How can you not know how it works here being from Tonberry, new player I guess. You do not prog in DF.

I've been doing it this way forever, first day just queue up and enjoy the experience of a fresh fight.
Some people prefer to wait a few days for macros and guides but alot of people DF first day to experience content first hand without guides.

[SassyAssassin]

Something else is really bugging me, Japanese players would not in public chat say stupid foreigner, it would not happen.

Saying an entire nation would not make an insulting remark is equally as ridiculous as saying someone is stupid for being a foreigner.

Why is it so hard for people to grasp that rude/racist/whatever people exist REGARDLESS of race? Just because someone is japanese, doesn’t automatically make turn them into completely perfect members of society. Yes the tendency in Japan is to be polite more so than anywhere else, BUT exceptions to the rule do exist no matter the country.

Its beyond me how ignorant someone must be to believe an entire nation behaves like factory made robots with the same thought process inputs.

We can never know if OPs post is real or not, therefore you cant make it a statement that it isn’t .

[Serilda]

Saying an entire nation would not make an insulting remark is equally as ridiculous as saying someone is stupid for being a foreigner.

That's not what we mean (the ones disputing the translation). Of course it's possible that somebody would type insulting things while JP or using the JP client. The problem is that the specific things they said don't sound plausible. Some of the most cutting, insulting things a JP-speaker can say would machine-translate to be very benign-sounding in English, while the things OP translated in their post are atypically confrontational, given the structure of the language and culture. I have definitely heard JP people (IRL) insulting foreigners before but I have literally never heard anybody, in a game environment, say "go home" in Japanese with it having the exact same nuance it does in EN - and if they've learned that from EN players they would probably type it in EN. I am 99% sure that in this case they were telling OP to leave the party and she misunderstood because she couldn't contemplate why anybody would be displeased by a griefer using their farm party as a learning group and ignoring advice each time they wiped.

I don't know how different it is on Tonberry, which has a higher proportion of non-speakers, but if you don't flag J in DF your queue it will basically never pop, so I'm genuinely surprised that OP claims that she never flags J for learning but gets into all of these parties trying to farm content they've already learned in PF. If that's really true I doubt that the party she was in was even entirely JP players, very few of whom flag E because it's so hard to communicate in tight situations unless they're genuinely fluent. So if all of this is true - which I still strongly, strongly doubt - a report against the problem player would have been the appropriate action.

[kpxmanifesto]

That's not what we mean (the ones disputing the translation).

That's not what you might mean, but the person SassyAssassin is replying to is literally saying that "Japanese players would not in public chat say stupid foreigner, it would not happen," which is just not true. To say that all Japanese players wouldn't say something offensive like this is a ridiculous blanket statement.

[Serilda]

That's not what you might mean, but the person SassyAssassin is replying to is literally saying that "Japanese players would not in public chat say stupid foreigner, it would not happen," which is just not true. To say that all Japanese players wouldn't say something offensive like this is a ridiculous blanket statement.

To put it in context, the equivalent would be a player from the UK posting that somebody from the USA had verbally abused them in a game by saying "Yee haw, it's all gone to pot because of that bally dimbo WHM, I pay good bees and honey for this sub and feel ripped off, what utter poppycock!" To the UK player (apologies for the ridiculous generalization which is exaggerated on purpose, I know people don't talk like that), it might sound plausible as text a person would type, while anybody who has been immersed in the online community could logically deduce that it probably wasn't what the USA player actually typed because literally nobody talks like that.

It's possible that somebody could say it, but it's exceptionally implausible. I believe that was what the poster meant; Japanese players wouldn't normally speak that way and an after-the-fact machine translation of mystery text that has never been provided in any form isn't exactly a reliable source. I genuinely don't think anybody is actually doubting that anybody in Japan can be rude or act like a bully, it's just that the specific example sounds incredibly fake.

[kpxmanifesto]

To put it in context, the equivalent would be a player from the UK posting that somebody from the USA had verbally abused them in a game by saying "Yee haw, it's all gone to pot because of that bally dimbo WHM, I pay good bees and honey for this sub and feel ripped off, what utter poppycock!" To the UK player (apologies for the ridiculous generalization which is exaggerated on purpose, I know people don't talk like that), it might sound plausible as text a person would type, while anybody who has been immersed in the online community could logically deduce that it probably wasn't what the USA player actually typed because literally nobody talks like that.

It's possible that somebody could say it, but it's exceptionally implausible. I believe that was what the poster meant; Japanese players wouldn't normally speak that way and an after-the-fact machine translation of mystery text that has never been provided in any form isn't exactly a reliable source. I genuinely don't think anybody is actually doubting that anybody in Japan can be rude or act like a bully, it's just that the specific example sounds incredibly fake.

Perhaps. The poster did emphasize "public chat" as if to say that something like this being communicated in a private message wouldn't be out of the question. But anyways, we would need that poster to clarify what he meant.

[kaynide]

"Yee haw, it's all gone to pot because of that bally dimbo WHM, I pay good bees and honey for this sub and feel ripped off, what utter poppycock!"

Gotta wise guy here. Aight boys, he’s ratted us out! Amscray! Scat before the popo’s find us! Eyyyyyy, pasta fajool!

[ronibosch]

"Yee haw, it's all gone to pot because of that bally dimbo WHM, I pay good bees and honey for this sub and feel ripped off, what utter poppycock!"

Aww. I wish more people talked like this. It's kinda adorable.

[Crescence]

Going to rewrite this since people seem to this this is just a simple 'attack the japanese' post.

i was refered to as a "Stupid Foreigner' and told to 'go home'.

As a foreigner in Japan I'd say that JP are not quite racist, but closer to elitist. They don't really care about your color or religion or stuff as long as you can speak their language, basically their standard is "JP speaker" and "everyone else". You see "native speaker only" on Elemental PF a lot but if you speak(type, to be precise) the language well enough they actually wouldn't care. Their super closed society kinda makes them rather...inconsiderate? towards racism-related topics/wordings, so I think that's what making them actually look racist.


That said, so far I know whenever they be toxic to English speakers, I don't think they use the term "stupid foreigner". They do use the term "go home" when they want ppl to go away, but judging from your story, I imagine the 7 ppl left you out of the loop while talking about kicking you out of the party, it kinda feels unnatural they'd say "go home" directly to you when they're not even talking to you. "Stupid foreigner" is... idk, it sounds alien to me. like, baka gaijin? never heard ppl saying that before aside from 2chan.
(btw I'm not saying that you're lying, I'm just wondering the chance that your translation tool isn't working accurately)

[Ghost_of_Ebina]

"Stupid foreigner" is... idk, it sounds alien to me. like, baka gaijin? never heard ppl saying that before aside from 2chan.
(btw I'm not saying that you're lying, I'm just wondering the chance that your translation tool isn't working accurately)

I have the same thought. I live in Japan as well (and fully fluent in the language), and I really can't imagine what phrase / word would translate to "stupid foreigner."
That is why I asked in the 3rd page of this thread the exact term that was used. This can be a mis-understanding unless the OP is also fluent, and god forbid if google translate or something equally inaccurate was used.