6.2 Patch Notes

[reivaxe]

...and those people were...who exactly? Who said that? Where?

Source?

I don't want to inject myself into their duel of words and wits, but I guess I'll say that I have the nuanced stance of "The contest wasn't a bad idea, but I'm against doing a 2nd contest for hair".

The results from the contest were def not the most interesting of choices, my faith on this community to vote on things has been shot.

At MOST, I'd be down for them having a contest and the DEVS picking which they like and will do.

[Lauront]

I'm open to wait and see. I didn't even expect them to upgrade the graphics it was a pleasant surprise when they announced it in a live letter. I don't get the NPC comments if they're not character related because that's basically what NPC's are. He even apologized of sorts saying sorry we'll have to wait on some and to be patient.

After all is said and done I think FF characters and animations are beautiful. We shall see what comes but I'm optimistic we'll get some major improvements to the game overall.

The source I believe he is referring to is from here:

He can’t give a firm yes or no answer to whether there will be more character customisation options, but says in terms of workload this is difficult to implement alongside the graphics update.

I believe it was repeated elsewhere as well but I haven't noted where. My understanding is to upgrade CC they'd require more fundamental engine overhauls (to the point that I am sure Yoshi wishes he could do a new MMO - even adding the stubblelander option took adding a new face pick), and the changes will mostly be limited to lighting/shading/texture quality and animations. Likewise, there's no plans to address clipping given the requirement for implementing a physics engine and so it will simply be something to be tolerated given the work involved to rectify it.

Will the planned upgrades (taking the game just a bit past a 2013 game; Yoshi has described the game graphics tech as being two generations behind in the past) last the game into 2032 (assuming a 10 year go forward life span)? Who can say... who even knows what competitors they'll have by then. I wasn't expecting it either, to be honest, although he had given some hints that they were going to work on the texture upgrade in the past, but frankly I don't see how they could put off doing it indefinitely whilst this remains their flagship MMO. He did say that what was shown was just from the first month's worth of testing, so I'll watch how it evolves with interest.

Regarding NPCs, the plan seems to do a partial upgrade of these by 7.0, and those that do rely on options straightforwardly available to players will be updated along with the player characters, whereas some others will be left until later, albeit they will be undertaking some prioritisation of some key NPCs.

As for WoW, which I saw some discussion of here, it is much older (yeah, it's had some touch ups too), relies on a cartoonish style as opposed to XIV's more 'realistic' style, and yet still manages to have what I'd consider to be better longer hair styles. I also prefer the degree to which the game is able to realise a sense of each race having a strong "fantasy", i.e. highly distinctive aesthetic characterising it, e.g. with its racial gear/zones. I am glad to see some other MMO contenders are planning on featuring something like it.

[Kazhar]

...and those people were...who exactly? Who said that? Where?

Source?

I've personally seen this sentiment echoed on many different social media websites. (anecdotal evidence but aveyond never claimed anything more than that) There was a strong sentiment that many hairstyles were selected because of the quality of their artwork over the pertinence of the hairstyle itself. Also, at the time, we didn't have many mid-length gender neutral cuts so the contest tipped the scales heavily towards that direction. (Since nobody knew at the times that the contest would be the only haircuts we'd get for over four years)

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I've personally seen this sentiment echoed on many different social media websites. (anecdotal evidence but aveyond never claimed anything more than that) There was a strong sentiment that many hairstyles were selected because of the quality of their artwork over the pertinence of the hairstyle itself. Also, at the time, we didn't have many mid-length gender neutral cuts so the contest tipped the scales heavily towards that direction. (Since nobody knew at the times that the contest would be the only haircuts we'd get for over four years)

Using the same logic, everyone I've shown Aveyond's posts to has disagreed with him. That means he is incorrect and no one agrees with him at all.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Did people already forget that the devs are working on actively updating the game's graphical quality within these upcoming patches up to 7.0?

Why are we acting like they never will

[Kazhar]

Using the same logic, everyone I've shown Aveyond's posts to has disagreed with him. That means he is incorrect and no one agrees with him at all.

You're not using the same logic at all and you're being seriously dishonest here. I've never claimed that everyone agreed with that sentiment, just that it existed and that I've seen it elsewhere independantly from this forums. Which is also nothing more than what aveyond's post claimed (they said that some people agreed with them. Never said many. And certainly not "all").

I thought you and the other members of the annoyingly pedantic crew were champions of facts and exact words? How is it that even when people use objectively correct terms you're still having a fit over it?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Did people already forget that the devs are working on actively updating the game's graphical quality within these upcoming patches up to 7.0?

Why are we acting like they never will

Short attention span?
Or maybe they didnt watch the Live Letters/Letter from the Producers.

Or they dont trust the devs to the point of Delusion.

[Striker44]

You're not using the same logic at all and you're being seriously dishonest here. I've never claimed that everyone agreed with that sentiment, just that it existed and that I've seen it elsewhere independantly from this forums. Which is also nothing more than what aveyond's post claimed (they said that some people agreed with them. Never said many. And certainly not "all").

I thought you and the other members of the annoyingly pedantic crew were champions of facts and exact words? How is it that even when people use objectively correct terms you're still having a fit over it?

The point is people like aveyond love to constantly claim that this mythical multitude of people out there exists, and therefore his opinion has this enormous backing and must be considered "right" and a high priority. In reality, most of the positions he takes are held by only a minuscule minority of the playerbase, so it makes no sense to expect the dev team to bend over backwards to satisfy his personal desires. (Nevermind that when all someone ever does is complain about everything, you realize they'll never be satisfied and thus aren't worth the effort.)

[aveyond-dreams]

I don't think I'm wrong when I say that the majority of the playerbase would benefit more from the sort of hairstyles I showed compared to removing the genderlock from store gear that is rarely used by other players in game. At the end of the day, both projects take up time from the 3d modeling team with one being more beneficial than the other. Why would anyone argue against this?

[Rokke]

if we haddn't gotten X we would surely have gotten Y instead!

lol. lmao even.