What are your thoughts on FFXIV's combat?

[Hazama999]

Its honestly a bit on the shallow side and you can feel the devs hit the ceiling of whats possible in it a while ago.

Utility skills are not valued, Damage is all that matters and theres basically no room for customization or player expression. The Balance this game achieved is boring. Its the result of extreme homogenization and more or less forcing every job to do the same thing.

Systems have been changed/removed specifically to make this so, and to be honest I wouldn't mind seeing the game be made less balanced if it meant that jobs didn't amount solely to pressing the same buttons in the exact same order forever.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head with the bolded bit.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Whatever Ronso could possibly be talking about is beyond me. I imagine it's more like "i feel useful as i watch netflix/some twitch streamer/youtube video on my second monitor".

LoL, didnt think the "I feel useful" line would get so much focus, considering I only said it as a Quick phrase because I couldnt think of better wording at the time.
If you only ever had to press one healing spell and never used anything else, sounds like you had a good Warrior, because they have insane self-sustain. Otherwise, there is no way you were over-healing with just 1 spell and nothing was ever a threat. Also was this your experience in Raids and Trials as well, or is this just specifically Dungeons?

Only time I ever put up a Video is the Lv50 MSQ Roulette.
If you get bored, Im sorry to hear that.

[Supersnow845]

LoL, didnt think the "I feel useful" line would get so much focus, considering I only said it as a Quick phrase because I couldnt think of better wording at the time.
If you only ever had to press one healing spell and never used anything else, sounds like you had a good Warrior, because they have insane self-sustain. Otherwise, there is no way you were over-healing with just 1 spell and nothing was ever a threat. Also was this your experience in Raids and Trials as well, or is this just specifically Dungeons?

Only time I ever put up a Video is the Lv50 MSQ Roulette.
If you get bored, Im sorry to hear that.

I mean play SGE and 90% of your healing can be done with kardia and kerachole even without a WAR, healing with like 1 spell isn’t that hard or rare

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I mean play SGE and 90% of your healing can be done with kardia and kerachole even without a WAR, healing with like 1 spell isn’t that hard or rare

You arnt gonna be constantly over-healing through the run though unless you got a decent Warrior in a Dungeon run.
Or unless you are running old easy content that isnt demanding.
IDK, maybe Im just doing it wrong if Im putting in some effort while everybody else can just hit 1 spell and be good for the whole dungeon or whatever content.

[ASkellington]

You arnt gonna be constantly over-healing through the run though unless you got a decent Warrior in a Dungeon run.
Or unless you are running old easy content that isnt demanding.
IDK, maybe Im just doing it wrong if Im putting in some effort while everybody else can just hit 1 spell and be good for the whole dungeon or whatever content.

If we're talking strictly bosses then yes I can hit 1 spell and be done. Exaltation on the Tank for busters because they literally come every minute and it covers it. Earthly Star or Celestial Opposition for AOE damage.

Damage is too infrequent on bosses to prove much of a challenge outside of a handful of fights. I find it absurd that two pack trash mobs make my cycle through my cool downs more than bosses.

Now I'll grant you, things like this only happen if my party doesn't stand in the bad often or even on occasion... but I don't have bad parties often enough for me to think "yeah 2 charges of Celestial Intersection and Essential Dignity are necessary".

[Absurdity]

I'm curious to see this be put into an experiment: to truly know if healing is that useless in dungeons. Basically I would like somebody to record them and their friends running a lv.90 dungeon or trial synced with no healer.

One where it's only the tank and 2 dps.
Another with a tank and 4 dps
And lastly one run with regular party make up.

Oh and to also have each run timed to see which party was the most efficient in clearing the content.

Your party compositions for a 4man dungeon seem a bit odd.

[Sebazy]

You arnt gonna be constantly over-healing through the run though unless you got a decent Warrior in a Dungeon run.
Or unless you are running old easy content that isnt demanding.
IDK, maybe Im just doing it wrong if Im putting in some effort while everybody else can just hit 1 spell and be good for the whole dungeon or whatever content.

Current dungeon boss tank busters hit on average around 40-50k on a non tank job completely unmitigated if my memory serves correctly.

On a tank with mitigation such as Benison? You might be seeing sub 10k, a quick flip through my logs sees an average of 10-15k.

If these hits were frequent, that'd be fine but they aren't. Stigma 4 does literally 1 tank buster in ~3 minutes. IMHO these sort of hits should be untelegraphed and coming in every 30 seconds at the least.

[vetch]

c'mon man, Medica 2 isn't THAT great lol

Cure 2 on the whole party for the same MP cost as Cure 2 is pretty good, actually.

[fulminating]

Design has been dead since heavensward or stormblood for most jobs. Excluding shadowbringers samurai and the dev’s favourite black mage, there’s not many that have been remotely close to their best incarnations in years. Homogenisation has all but killed identity, and for what?

[Semirhage]

If you did ARR content before the Trust updates, you can definitely feel it. Sure, some of the dungeons benefit from a touch more engaging design (I'm looking at you, Praetorium bosses that used to be training dummies). But when I go into any of the redesigned dungeons with fresh eyes, it's pretty telling when my brain script is correct 90% of the time.

Let's see, we're pulling a boss. I wonder if it...yep, there's an unavoidable roomwide hit that does about half of everyone's HP approximately 10-15 seconds into the pull. The standard post-Stormblood "healer, use your oGCD AOE heal here!" move. Let's see then there's...yep, a tankbuster that does about 1/4 of the tank's health. Next is...oh yeah, boss auto teleports into the center of the arena, then begins channeling some exhaustingly long cast where it completely stops outgoing damage, then puts really obvious tells on the floor, and if it's REALLY complicated it'll cover part of the floor, then another slightly overlapping part, and you'll have to stand in the second orange indicator, then move to where the first one just exploded.

If you haven't been paying attention before, just run this script in your head when you pull a boss. Almost every. Single. Dungeon. Boss. in this game. Is like this. And people wonder why veteran healers say they can easy peasy oGCD heal the brand new "expert" dungeon when a patch drops. It's because the boss mechanics are VERY predictably patterned, even if the precise shapes of the AOE markers are different.