What are your thoughts on FFXIV's combat?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Can you explain why you like healing and find it rewarding in a way that doesn’t devolve into “it’s nice to have people rely on me”

I’m honestly not trying to sound rude here I’m just curious what you find rewarding about healing in its current form compared to older forms or healing in another game, the act of being a healer feels rewarding (it’s the only reason I still play them) but the design in this game feels absolutely horrid, wouldn’t having more to heal or doing a more complex damage application system make what already feels rewarding about healing even more rewarding

Idk I’m just kinda rambling here but I really can’t think of what specifically about current design healers feels more rewarding than say HW SCH other than just the act of healing in general feels rewarding no matter the application

It has nothing to do with ego, and is more akin to, "I feel useful"
Best way I can put it atm because I cant think of a better phrase at the moment. Overall I feel more satisfaction keeping people alive then doing Big-D-DPS.

I feel healing is rewarding in each Expansion. I dont feel any less useful or like my role has gotten any worse....at least not as a White Mage main. Its kind of like Black Mage imo, it always stayed good. Probly the worse thing that happened to me is I lost Aero 3
Thats your opinion (and others opinion) but I just dont feel that way. I like healing in this game. Id rather play healer then play a Tank or a DPS in this game.
Other games are other games, Im playing FFXIV, so I dont account for how it works in other games.

[Supersnow845]

It has nothing to do with ego, and is more akin to, "I feel useful"
Best way I can put it atm because I cant think of a better phrase at the moment. Overall I feel more satisfaction keeping people alive then doing Big-D-DPS.

I feel healing is rewarding in each Expansion. I dont feel any less useful or like my role has gotten any worse....at least not as a White Mage main. Its kind of like Black Mage imo, it always stayed good. Probly the worse thing that happened to me is I lost Aero 3
Thats your opinion (and others opinion) but I just dont feel that way. I like healing in this game. Id rather play healer then play a Tank or a DPS in this game.
Other games are other games, Im playing FFXIV, so I dont account for how it works in other games.

So essentially your opinion boils down to “I like the act of healing and I don’t really care how badly it’s designed”

About what I expected, my quest to find someone who can actually explain to me why ShB healing is actually well designed continues

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

So essentially your opinion boils down to “I like the act of healing and I don’t really care how badly it’s designed”

About what I expected, my quest to find someone who can actually explain to me why ShB healing is actually well designed continues

I never argued about if its design is good or not. Not even my point
My entire point was I personally Like Healing in this game. I find it fun.

You were doomed to be disappointed from the start if you were looking for a deep analytical explanation XD

[Liam_Harper]

It has nothing to do with ego, and is more akin to, "I feel useful"
Best way I can put it atm because I cant think of a better phrase at the moment. Overall I feel more satisfaction keeping people alive then doing Big-D-DPS.

The problem is that once you get more experience you realize you only feel useful, but you aren't actually as useful in reality. Pretty much any sprout blindly spamming Medica II can keep a group alive just fine. In certain content like lv90 dungeons you're barely needed and in Normal raids you're just surplus and your co-heal could do the job for both of you.

Keeping people alive is a joke, your group could easily replace you and the only way to be genuinely useful is to contribute high dps while keeping everyone alive. But since the developers have made sure most content has no dps check and meters are banned, no one cares if you did damage (or might even dislike you for it).

The more experience you have, the less rewarding healing is and the more pointless you realize it is.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I'm curious to see this be put into an experiment: to truly know if healing is that useless in dungeons. Basically I would like somebody to record them and their friends running a lv.90 dungeon or trial synced with no healer.

One where it's only the tank and 2 dps.
Another with a tank and 4 dps
And lastly one run with regular party make up.

Oh and to also have each run timed to see which party was the most efficient in clearing the content.

[Supersnow845]

I'm curious to see this be put into an experiment: to truly know if healing is that useless in dungeons. Basically I would like somebody to record them and their friends running a lv.90 dungeon or trial synced with no healer.

One where it's only the tank and 2 dps.
Another with a tank and 4 dps
And lastly one run with regular party make up.

Oh and to also have each run timed to see which party was the most efficient in clearing the content.

Take a look at FFlogs

I looked at stigma dreamscape (though all are roughly similar dead ends skews a little more strongly to healers in the top clears), of the top 50 fastest clears only 8 of them even had a healer yet all 4 tanks are represented (DRK even has some non RDM clears), raids is harder because it’s hard to find non standard clears of the panda normal raids but currently for all 4 bosses non standard comps hold a faster record than standard comps which I assume is trading out one healer and one tank to run 6 DPS so it does show how useless healers are regardless

[Striker44]

Take a look at FFlogs

I looked at stigma dreamscape (though all are roughly similar dead ends skews a little more strongly to healers in the top clears), of the top 50 fastest clears only 8 of them even had a healer yet all 4 tanks are represented (DRK even has some non RDM clears), raids is harder because it’s hard to find non standard clears of the panda normal raids but currently for all 4 bosses non standard comps hold a faster record than standard comps which I assume is trading out one healer and one tank to run 6 DPS so it does show how useless healers are regardless

But if you're talking "top 50 fastest clears" tracked by sites designed to be used by people pushing the toughest content, you're not getting anything close to a representative sample of the playerbase. The typical FFXIV player is not anywhere close to the "top 50 fastest clears." I expect the top players to be able to do things that you're typical, casual player isn't going to even dream about. The result says absolutely nothing about the usefulness of things like healers to what is far and away the most common FFXIV player.

[Supersnow845]

But if you're talking "top 50 fastest clears" tracked by sites designed to be used by people pushing the toughest content, you're not getting anything close to a representative sample of the playerbase. The typical FFXIV player is not anywhere close to the "top 50 fastest clears." I expect the top players to be able to do things that you're typical, casual player isn't going to even dream about. The result says absolutely nothing about the usefulness of things like healers to what is far and away the most common FFXIV player.

The guy wanted and example of people being able to completely invalidate healers and I provided one, you aren’t doing the dungeon faster by dumping off the tank, you aren’t going faster by dumping off the DPS but you certainly are going faster by dumping off the healer

The core point is that it shouldn’t even be possible not that it’s only something more accomplished people can, seriously while GNB and DRK need some finesse any DF party doesn’t with a WAR or PLD does not need a healer and assuming none of the DPS are huffing paint you will go faster than having the healer there

[GoatOfWar]

The guy wanted and example of people being able to completely invalidate healers and I provided one, you aren’t doing the dungeon faster by dumping off the tank, you aren’t going faster by dumping off the DPS but you certainly are going faster by dumping off the healer

The core point is that it shouldn’t even be possible not that it’s only something more accomplished people can, seriously while GNB and DRK need some finesse any DF party doesn’t with a WAR or PLD does not need a healer and assuming none of the DPS are huffing paint you will go faster than having the healer there

And i mean, you need so little healing a red mage would suffice in normal mode content.

[Sebazy]

But if you're talking "top 50 fastest clears" tracked by sites designed to be used by people pushing the toughest content, you're not getting anything close to a representative sample of the playerbase. The typical FFXIV player is not anywhere close to the "top 50 fastest clears." I expect the top players to be able to do things that you're typical, casual player isn't going to even dream about. The result says absolutely nothing about the usefulness of things like healers to what is far and away the most common FFXIV player.

It honestly makes little difference until you go down to the depths of the sort of player who just sits in ground markers and afks. Eating the occasional avoidable aoe isn't a problem, keeping assize/star etc on cooldown takes care of that regardless. Modern dungeon bosses are literal med and cooldown breaks at this point and the trash only really gets nasty if you run out of cooldowns or simply never pop them in the first place.

If the healer is contributing damage or 'le gasp', you ditch them and get another DPS, you're not going to run out of cooldowns as the videos above attest to.