What are your thoughts on FFXIV's combat?

[Striker44]

Take a look at FFlogs

I looked at stigma dreamscape (though all are roughly similar dead ends skews a little more strongly to healers in the top clears), of the top 50 fastest clears only 8 of them even had a healer yet all 4 tanks are represented (DRK even has some non RDM clears), raids is harder because it’s hard to find non standard clears of the panda normal raids but currently for all 4 bosses non standard comps hold a faster record than standard comps which I assume is trading out one healer and one tank to run 6 DPS so it does show how useless healers are regardless

But if you're talking "top 50 fastest clears" tracked by sites designed to be used by people pushing the toughest content, you're not getting anything close to a representative sample of the playerbase. The typical FFXIV player is not anywhere close to the "top 50 fastest clears." I expect the top players to be able to do things that you're typical, casual player isn't going to even dream about. The result says absolutely nothing about the usefulness of things like healers to what is far and away the most common FFXIV player.

[Supersnow845]

But if you're talking "top 50 fastest clears" tracked by sites designed to be used by people pushing the toughest content, you're not getting anything close to a representative sample of the playerbase. The typical FFXIV player is not anywhere close to the "top 50 fastest clears." I expect the top players to be able to do things that you're typical, casual player isn't going to even dream about. The result says absolutely nothing about the usefulness of things like healers to what is far and away the most common FFXIV player.

The guy wanted and example of people being able to completely invalidate healers and I provided one, you aren’t doing the dungeon faster by dumping off the tank, you aren’t going faster by dumping off the DPS but you certainly are going faster by dumping off the healer

The core point is that it shouldn’t even be possible not that it’s only something more accomplished people can, seriously while GNB and DRK need some finesse any DF party doesn’t with a WAR or PLD does not need a healer and assuming none of the DPS are huffing paint you will go faster than having the healer there

[GoatOfWar]

The guy wanted and example of people being able to completely invalidate healers and I provided one, you aren’t doing the dungeon faster by dumping off the tank, you aren’t going faster by dumping off the DPS but you certainly are going faster by dumping off the healer

The core point is that it shouldn’t even be possible not that it’s only something more accomplished people can, seriously while GNB and DRK need some finesse any DF party doesn’t with a WAR or PLD does not need a healer and assuming none of the DPS are huffing paint you will go faster than having the healer there

And i mean, you need so little healing a red mage would suffice in normal mode content.

[Sebazy]

But if you're talking "top 50 fastest clears" tracked by sites designed to be used by people pushing the toughest content, you're not getting anything close to a representative sample of the playerbase. The typical FFXIV player is not anywhere close to the "top 50 fastest clears." I expect the top players to be able to do things that you're typical, casual player isn't going to even dream about. The result says absolutely nothing about the usefulness of things like healers to what is far and away the most common FFXIV player.

It honestly makes little difference until you go down to the depths of the sort of player who just sits in ground markers and afks. Eating the occasional avoidable aoe isn't a problem, keeping assize/star etc on cooldown takes care of that regardless. Modern dungeon bosses are literal med and cooldown breaks at this point and the trash only really gets nasty if you run out of cooldowns or simply never pop them in the first place.

If the healer is contributing damage or 'le gasp', you ditch them and get another DPS, you're not going to run out of cooldowns as the videos above attest to.