Glamour restrictions: a hinderance to creativity

[Silverbane]

So we should base everything on the original D&D from almost 50 years ago ?

Whether we should "base everything on the original D&D" or not, just about every RPG is.

The point is: near-naked combatants (including "tanks") is a norm in lots of fiction and gaming, as are role-restrictions on clothing/armor. The devs have chosen to conform with those norms, and I image much of the player base is accustomed to them.
There's nothing inconsistent or hypocritical about it.

Your argument that those norms make no sense seems based on real life, i.e.: you need armor to resist damage.
But there is no reason a game with magic and flying pigs in it needs to care about what works in "real life."

[Siddiax]

Tbh I would be cool if they restricted gear to more classical norms tied to old school D&D.

AF gear already does that. Unless you expect them to design a unique set for each job for each raid/dungeon ? I'm all for that but it's never going to happen.

The devs have chosen to conform with those norms, and I image much of the player base is accustomed to them.
There's nothing inconsistent or hypocritical about it.

They haven't chosen to conform with anything. Gear appearance has to be the most incosistent thing in the entire game. We wouldn't have such a high amount of cross-role gear/nigh-identical sets if they wanted to keep everything restricted. If they cannot uphold the rules they've set years ago, they should just remove them.

Your argument that those norms make no sense seems based on real life, i.e.: you need armor to resist damage.
But there is no reason a game with magic and flying pigs in it needs to care about what works in "real life."

Lmao this is hilarious.

[Silverbane]

If they cannot uphold the rules they've set years ago, they should just remove them.

You're advocating, it seems, for a particular change in the rules: their elimination.
And now you claim that's the only change in the rules they "should" make.
That's complete nonsense.

It's never been "the original way or nothing" in this game, not for anything.
SE has the right -- yes, the right, as owners of this game -- to evolve it as it suits them, as they have been with every patch. That's true for every aspect of this game, including gear and glamour.

[Lihtleita]

You're advocating, it seems, for a particular change in the rules: their elimination.
And now you claim that's the only change in the rules they "should" make.
That's complete nonsense.

It's never been "the original way or nothing" in this game, not for anything.
SE has the right -- yes, the right, as owners of this game -- to evolve it as it suits them, as they have been with every patch. That's true for every aspect of this game, including gear and glamour.

well damn i guess that means theres no point in having a forum then we cant tell square enix what to do. pack it up boys

[Siddiax]

You're advocating, it seems, for a particular change in the rules: their elimination.
And now you claim that's the only change in the rules they "should" make.
That's complete nonsense.

It's never been "the original way or nothing" in this game, not for anything.
SE has the right -- yes, the right, as owners of this game -- to evolve it as it suits them, as they have been with every patch. That's true for every aspect of this game, including gear and glamour.

Oh boy, here's this crap again. Square Enix aren't making a game for themselves. They're literally selling a product and I, as a paying customer, have the right to make a suggestion on the public forums. If it weren't for suggestions, the game would be in an entirely different state - ARR most likely wouldn't have been a thing.

[Silverbane]

Square Enix [is] selling a product and I, as a paying customer, have the right to make a suggestion on the public forums.

I never said you couldn't make suggestions. I just said your suggestion was nonsense.
And actually, as a legal point, you don't even have "the right" to post to the forums, much less make suggestions here: SE could ban you at any time and you'd have no recourse.

well damn i guess that means theres no point in having a forum then we cant tell square enix what to do. pack it up boys

You honestly thought you could ever "tell square enix what to do"? Here or anywhere?
I got news for you: outside of governments, SE's execs, and SE's major shareholders, none of us can tell SE what to do.

Feel free to make suggestions though. But expect most of them to be ignored, just as a matter of statistics given the volume of different and often conflicting suggestions people make.

[Siddiax]

I never said you couldn't make suggestions. I just said your suggestion was nonsense.
And actually, as a legal point, you don't even have "the right" to post to the forums, much less make suggestions here: SE could ban you at any time and you'd have no recourse.


You honestly thought you could ever "tell square enix what to do"? Here or anywhere?
I got news for you: outside of governments, SE's execs, and SE's major shareholders, none of us can tell SE what to do.

Feel free to make suggestions though. But expect most of them to be ignored, just as a matter of statistics given the volume of different and often conflicting suggestions people make.

Alright, not gonna lie I was fully convinced you were being serious until this post.

[Lihtleita]

You honestly thought you could ever "tell square enix what to do"? Here or anywhere?

Yes. Unironically.

Like when we told them to add femroes. Or when we told them to fix pvp. Or the legacy dungeons. Or preatorium. Or giving hrothgar their ears back. Theres actually quite a few off the top of my head.
Thats what a forum is for my dude.

[Silverbane]

Re: "You honestly thought you could ever 'tell square enix what to do'?":

Thats what a forum is for my dude.

Who told you that?

I suspect that the English forums may only exist because it's a check-mark on some marketing exec's list of features an MMO has to have.

[Bobby66]

AF gear already does that. Unless you expect them to design a unique set for each job for each raid/dungeon ? I'm all for that but it's never going to happen.



They haven't chosen to conform with anything. Gear appearance has to be the most incosistent thing in the entire game. We wouldn't have such a high amount of cross-role gear/nigh-identical sets if they wanted to keep everything restricted. If they cannot uphold the rules they've set years ago, they should just remove them.



Lmao this is hilarious.

I would much rather they do that verse lifting all restrictions. Honestly after all these years I doubt they will remove restrictions either so it does appear both sides are left wanting. At the very least the more restrictions side can request the restrictions we currently have stay.