White Mage Attraction

[vetch]

WHM is a problem because no matter how much the sylphies gpose with wings in ill mheg WHM drags collective healer design down and has done so since HW

if people want the iconic job so bad then just make it a damn limited job so they can gpose in it without it completely destroying the healers because of its everlasting popularity

Why would they make the most iconic Final Fantasy healer unable to complete the MSQ? That would hurt their KPIs and create problems for the dev team where they currently see none.

[Supersnow845]

It's not about the strongest, and never was. And even if it was, this can easily can change from one patch to the next with a flick of a wrist from the devs. If we want to there, I can say WHM and AST can both shield ST better than a SCH. As I said in my previous post, I believe it's the percentage of their overall healing and that they have ready access to their HoTs via the GCD.

Again though, nothing is really "niche" with the healers with the exception of AST card mech.

Then you are really saying nothing at all SGE wins in both HOT strength and damage healed by HOT’s, just because the regen healers have it on the GCD means nothing if they don’t actually use them, just as I agree that SCH is a garbage single target shielder

It just circles back to WHM has no healing niche while the other three do something better than any other healer

[Gemina]

Then you are really saying nothing at all SGE wins in both HOT strength and damage healed by HOT’s, just because the regen healers have it on the GCD means nothing if they don’t actually use them, just as I agree that SCH is a garbage single target shielder

It just circles back to WHM has no healing niche while the other three do something better than any other healer

Let me ask you something. How much more effective is the ball player that hits a homerun by clearing the wall by 30ft, opposed to the ball player that does it by 10ft? How much more effective is the bowler who rolls a 300 game with a 15lb ball opposed to the bowler who rolls the same score with a 10lb ball?

Do you see where I am getting at here? You are trying to say SGE is de facto #1 healer based on HoT strength. I am telling you it isn't anything special. I know you like to operate under this illusion that you are doing more than you actually are, but it really isn't the case. Healers are tasked with three duties during PvE combat: Fix mistakes (heal), raise fallen comrades, damage enemies. The roll is designed in such a way that any composition can clear content, which is just another way of saying that all four healers can accomplish those three tasks. They are homogenized. Even if SGE truly does have stronger HoTs than any of the other three healers, who cares? As a DPS or Tank, I sure don't. The only thing I care about in concern to the healers in my party is that they are doing the three tasks I mentioned. I couldn't care less how they do it, because they are all the same color to me (from the PoV of tank or DPS).

Again, the only true niche healer is AST. This doesn't make them the best or strongest. That's not what niche means.

[Supersnow845]

Let me ask you something. How much more effective is the ball player that hits a homerun by clearing the wall by 30ft, opposed to the ball player that does it by 10ft? How much more effective is the bowler who rolls a 300 game with a 15lb ball opposed to the bowler who rolls the same score with a 10lb ball?

Do you see where I am getting at here? You are trying to say SGE is de facto #1 healer based on HoT strength. I am telling you it isn't anything special. I know you like to operate under this illusion that you are doing more than you actually are, but it really isn't the case. Healers are tasked with three duties during PvE combat: Fix mistakes (heal), raise fallen comrades, damage enemies. The roll is designed in such a way that any composition can clear content, which is just another way of saying that all four healers can accomplish those three tasks. They are homogenized. Even if SGE truly does have stronger HoTs than any of the other three healers, who cares? As a DPS or Tank, I sure don't. The only thing I care about in concern to the healers in my party is that they are doing the three tasks I mentioned. I couldn't care less how they do it, because they are all the same color to me (from the PoV of tank or DPS).

Again, the only true niche healer is AST. This doesn't make them the best or strongest. That's not what niche means.

Your original comment said that pure healer niche is that their proportion of heals done by HOT’s is higher than shields that’s their niche replying to my comment that WHM doesn’t have a niche

Now that I’ve said SGE has the highest proportion of regens suddenly healers have no niche at all because they are all homogenised

I don’t even know what point you are trying to make anymore

[flowerfairy]

White Mage needs a cooler damage rotation, you're telling me they fought against Black Mages in the War of the Magi spamming Glare and Dia?!

People always want the identity of WHM to be burst GCD healing but why not just a full GCD identity in general? Give them something similar to BLM (Stone = Fire, Water = Blizzard, Aero = Thunder) but without any timers to manage. That way they can pick up on their rotation when they're done healing or raising. They have an abnormal amount of healing abilities that they never need because lilies cover almost everything that happens. I think some of these can be replaced with damage abilities so it isn't just glareglareglare.

[Supersnow845]

White Mage needs a cooler damage rotation, you're telling me they fought against Black Mages in the War of the Magi spamming Glare and Dia?!

People always want the identity of WHM to be burst GCD healing but why not just a full GCD identity in general? Give them something similar to BLM (Stone = Fire, Water = Blizzard, Aero = Thunder) but without any timers to manage. That way they can pick up on their rotation when they're done healing or raising. They have an abnormal amount of healing abilities that they never need because lilies cover almost everything that happens. I think some of these can be replaced with damage abilities so it isn't just glareglareglare.

That could describe the entire healer role tbh

I don’t think the nyrmians defended their society from both the amdapori and the mhachi using broil and fairy embrace

The entire role is a disaster

[Gemina]

Your original comment said that pure healer niche is that their proportion of heals done by HOT’s is higher than shields that’s their niche replying to my comment that WHM doesn’t have a niche

Now that I’ve said SGE has the highest proportion of regens suddenly healers have no niche at all because they are all homogenised

I don’t even know what point you are trying to make anymore

In my original comment, I placed niche in quotation marks. This should let the reader know that I am not using my own words in that context. IOW, I don't think any of the healers are niche, with the exception of AST, which the remainder of that posts elaborates on. I don't really think regens, no matter how they are accessed or how powerful they are makes any of the healers niche. And the same can be said about shields. All of the healers have access to these one way or the other, and their power and ease of access does very little to diversify the healers.

It isn't sudden that healers are homogenized. They've been this way for some time now. What's sudden is your realization that SGE doesn't really stand out from WHM. Your argument over having the superior HoT only strengthens that, as WHM is already well established as having proficient HoT ability regardless if it is better or worse than SGE.

I can understand if the point is difficult to comprehend when you are trying to create an argument where there isn't one. Unless you're trying to make a point that SGE is niche in someway. If it is, it's not through their HoT ability. They do have a gap closer though. That's pretty niche, and it is quite useful for the SGE. I can give them that.

[Supersnow845]

In my original comment, I placed niche in quotation marks. This should let the reader know that I am not using my own words in that context. IOW, I don't think any of the healers are niche, with the exception of AST, which the remainder of that posts elaborates on. I don't really think regens, no matter how they are accessed or how powerful they are makes any of the healers niche. And the same can be said about shields. All of the healers have access to these one way or the other, and their power and ease of access does very little to diversify the healers.

It isn't sudden that healers are homogenized. They've been this way for some time now. What's sudden is your realization that SGE doesn't really stand out from WHM. Your argument over having the superior HoT only strengthens that, as WHM is already well established as having proficient HoT ability regardless if it is better or worse than SGE.

I can understand if the point is difficult to comprehend when you are trying to create an argument where there isn't one. Unless you're trying to make a point that SGE is niche in someway. If it is, it's not through their HoT ability. They do have a gap closer though. That's pretty niche, and it is quite useful for the SGE. I can give them that.

You are reaching a long way of you think “niche” means that you didn’t mean what you proceeded to elaborate on for the rest of your original post but let’s say it does say that then you aren’t really answering what comment I made that you are replying to

And the other healers have defined niches, SGE’s is movement shielding and mitigation, SCH’s is shields and totem healing, AST is damage buffs and time delayed heals, WHM has nothing to compare to any of those useful niches

[Duskane]

I just want WHM to have a similar idea to RDM and BLM where your DPS rotation cycles through elements
instead of just light or stone spam with a wind dot.

[Gemina]

You are reaching a long way of you think “niche” means that you didn’t mean what you proceeded to elaborate on for the rest of your original post but let’s say it does say that then you aren’t really answering what comment I made that you are replying to

If I'm reaching, it's because you're not comprehending. My main point was NEVER to focus in on WHM HoT being a niche of theirs. That is just the general idea of the so-called pure healers. Yet for some reason, you want to come in here a try to form a rebuttal around SGE having superior HoT. No one cares.

And the other healers have defined niches, SGE’s is movement shielding and mitigation, SCH’s is shields and totem healing, AST is damage buffs and time delayed heals, WHM has nothing to compare to any of those useful niches

Yeah... no. This is just an illusion. It's all healing, bud. It's all just keeping other players from eating the floor, and picking them up when they do. "Niche" as is defined, is some type of specialization. Something unique that separates one from another. Right now, this belongs to AST, whose niche has an impact on the DMG output of the entire party, and all jobs can take advantage of it being a direct buff to dmg. That's just Divination. They still have the cards as well.

It is not my intention to dumb down SGE, or perk up AST. But the notion that WHM is somehow inferior to the other healers doesn't even begin to compute. Like at all. Comparisons with something such as Asylum to Sacred Soil/Collective Unconscious/Druochole would be one of those obvious cases of such. The issue is, if SS/CU/Dr are not used, everyone still lives. The regen effect these abilities have (ala Asylum), are the main reasons why they are used. What would actually make Asylum or any healer bubble inferior would be is if all it did was mitigate damage.

I am not dumbing down healing in FFXIV either. Far from it. The thing is, when it comes to true healing scenarios in FFXIV; this happens when things aren't going according to plan. It's not this bundle of scripted goodness, and you heal within a controlled environment. No. True healing is when the S has hit the fan, and HP bars are bouncing around like the LEDs on some kind of old school equalizer. That is the eventual point I arrive at, and it is of the utmost importance that each healer be equipped to handle it. SE has gone to great lengths to snuff out, and snip any such "niche" you want to bring up. AST's remains intact though. The job has an established identity all by itself as the healer that also boosts the party's damage.

tl;dr WHM gets a thumbs up from me.