6.25 to introduce Rank Demotion. Do you think this will help or hurt the overall PvP

[Amh_Wilzuun]

They seem to have a misconception about why people are having trouble winning in CC, which is, to put it bluntly, that most of the playerbase is painfully average at best, not that they're being lazy or not trying hard enough.

The actual fix to this is have some manner of skill grading and either protect you from demotion or make you get demoted faster depending on how much you're actually contributing on a match to match basis. Someone who is consistently taking the top spot for number of deaths or bottom spot for damage dealt as a DPS job probably has some serious issues they need to sort out.

I’ve had plenty of losing matches where I was top damage and/or KOs and Assists and then still lost the star of course. We can learn from overwatch that combining a ranking system based on only wins and losses with a team based game just leads to massive saltiness and toxicity. It doesn’t matter if you’re the greatest player of all time: if you’re paired with four booger eaters you have no chance if the other team is decent.

[VerdeLuck]

it's still not going to fix the issue with lower ranks having long queue times and being full of people on alt characters dominating.

[Nav_Fae]

Deranking is a bad idea and there really needs to be a bigger outcry over this. This is a awful and horrible idea. Getting to Crystal rank is stressful and hard enough. Especially with bots and cheaters. All this will do is entice people to cheat further. Don't do this SE, please do not do this. The ranking was fine as is, you did not need to change it. Like did anyone seriously complain anywhere "Gosh I wish I could get deranked because I lost~" no if anything, I heard the opposite, people getting less tilted because they weren't deranked when they finally endured to the next tier. PvP was finally getting attention, but this is a good way to deter people from playing it more. DO NOT PUT DERANK BACK.

[VerdeLuck]

Deranking is a bad idea and there really needs to be a bigger outcry over this. This is a awful and horrible idea. Getting to Crystal rank is stressful and hard enough. Especially with bots and cheaters. All this will do is entice people to cheat further. Don't do this SE, please do not do this. The ranking was fine as is, you did not need to change it. Like did anyone seriously complain anywhere "Gosh I wish I could get deranked because I lost~" no if anything, I heard the opposite, people getting less tilted because they weren't deranked when they finally endured to the next tier. PvP was finally getting attention, but this is a good way to deter people from playing it more. DO NOT PUT DERANK BACK.

The ranking system is not fine, the entire system with no deranking or rank decay filters players upward into higher ranks and screws over any latecomers to the game mode. You cannot have a ranked system with no decay and only progression, it's going to starve out the lower ranks and kill the game mode. You don't get special treatment for playing first and grinding up to crystal when it's easy, you have to maintain to stay up there.

[Nav_Fae]

The ranking system is not fine, the entire system with no deranking or rank decay filters players upward into higher ranks and screws over any latecomers to the game mode. You cannot have a ranked system with no decay and only progression, it's going to starve out the lower ranks and kill the game mode. You don't get special treatment for playing first and grinding up to crystal when it's easy, you have to maintain to stay up there.

In a game with this much cheating going on in it, this is not the way to do it. If you want to do decay for idle time and force a few matches a week, maybe that would work. But a deranking system is not the solution in this format. All it will do is encourage more cheating now that you can derank. This is poorly thought out and all it will do is cause people to play less over all across the board. Your queuing will now be worse. It happened with Feast and it will happen with CC. They didn't learn from it.

[Liam_Harper]

I'm surprised they care so much about players "giving their all" in PvP, yet PvE is basically made to enable and protect putting in as little effort as possible and being carried. Both are team activities with rewards.

[VerdeLuck]

In a game with this much cheating going on in it, this is not the way to do it. If you want to do decay for idle time and force a few matches a week, maybe that would work. But a deranking system is not the solution in this format. All it will do is encourage more cheating now that you can derank. This is poorly thought out and all it will do is cause people to play less over all across the board. Your queuing will now be worse. It happened with Feast and it will happen with CC. They didn't learn from it.

No deranking means you filter everyone upward and there's no one left to play in bronze and silver, anyone new has no one to play with and the mode dies out. You can't have a system where you filter everyone upwards and then never let them fall back down.
If anything they should have let you derank all the way down to the bottom if you lose.

[Mistress_Irika]

Deranking is a bad idea and there really needs to be a bigger outcry over this. This is a awful and horrible idea. Getting to Crystal rank is stressful and hard enough. Especially with bots and cheaters. All this will do is entice people to cheat further. Don't do this SE, please do not do this. The ranking was fine as is, you did not need to change it. Like did anyone seriously complain anywhere "Gosh I wish I could get deranked because I lost~" no if anything, I heard the opposite, people getting less tilted because they weren't deranked when they finally endured to the next tier. PvP was finally getting attention, but this is a good way to deter people from playing it more. DO NOT PUT DERANK BACK.

I honestly didn't agree with the ranking system when I originally saw it. It's backwards to me. Why are high rank players awarded with more playing time while lower rank players are getting less? I understand being where you are if you're truly stuck trying to progress up the ranks, but this type of punishment for being stuck just feels truly wrong.

[Remish]

I honestly didn't agree with the ranking system when I originally saw it. It's backwards to me. Why are high rank players awarded with more playing time while lower rank players are getting less? I understand being where you are if you're truly stuck trying to progress up the ranks, but this type of punishment for being stuck just feels truly wrong.

The queues were only bad in about the gold tier.
I agree derank isn't the solution though. This only encourages cheating when you get to Diamond/Crystal. Especially if top 100 rewards start becoming more desirable. Sure lower tier will have more queue times but this opens other can of worms in the process and that's why I do not think it's the answer. Just feels like a "other games do it so we will to" cop out that doesn't address the actual problem.

[ReynTime]

Great!

Whenever I lose a rank in Splatoon 2 because I happened to be matched with a really bad team thorough an entire session that I can't carry the first thing I think about is "MAN! I wish more games would have chat-less PvP exactly like this! What a wonderful experience!"

Good thinking SE!